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Donald Trump is President...
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Dec 10 2019, 10:01 pm Wing Zero Post #81

Magic box god; Suck it Corbo

If you don't care about the chaos it'll cause like Trump didn't you have a lot more freedom when choosing who and what to replace.




Dec 13 2019, 8:11 pm Vrael Post #82



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what did our esteemed empress (Merkel) say?
God damn finding a primary source has become so hard these days, online journalism is really garbage. Here's the best I got: "The times when we could completely rely on others are, to an extent, over"
https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/28/politics/angela-merkel-donald-trump-g7/index.html

Not nearly as potent a statement as I thought it was, maybe she didn't say it best. The meaning is still there, however.

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How is this any different to other presidencies who make these appointments is what I don't get. Obviously if you are a Democrat, you aren't happy with who the Republician will put into these positions, and vice versa. Can't the next president simply appoint their own preferred heads of agencies? How is it "creating chaos for years to come" do you just mean years as in only the years in which he is in power.
Fundamentally, it's because he's appointing stupid people. Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama, all utilized the agencies for their own political agenda, sure, and the other side Republican/Democrat disliked the choices the president made, but the last time we had such bad officers was the McCarthy era back in the 50's. He's making appointments that even Republicans don't like (though he isn't really a republican to begin with). Because of this, a ton of people have been resigning, heads of our military branches, agency directors, etc, and when you lose those people through abrupt change you lose all of the knowledge they have garnered over the years. So much of how the government works is based on having people who just know who to talk to to get things done, or know the process or stupid form ID you need to make something official. He's been shooting himself in the foot since day one, which at least most presidents try to avoid.



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Bush took America into two wars. Trump has yet to do that. Surely that makes Bush worse?
Bush took the U.S. into two wars after an event which redefined the global status quo on terrorism - the U.S. Congress voted 420-1 in the House and 98-0 in the Senate for the Afghanistan war, and a year later to invade Iraq with a supermajority. Bush cannot solely be blamed for that, his actions were very aligned with public sentiment at the time. What he did perhaps do poorly, is manage the next five years of the war. But I think there's a big difference between someone managing a difficult situation, and someone like Trump who is creating difficult situations - INTERNAL TO OUR COUNTRY NO LESS. People will never dislike Bush as much (and I think rightly so) because we can see how his actions were at least supposed to be for our benefit. I would give credit to Trump for the same thing - I genuinely believe Trump is doing his best, but I would also say he's so blinded by his own mythos that he thinks his shit don't stink.



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Dec 16 2019, 2:11 am KrayZee Post #83



What bothers me about the demagogue's supporters is that they are dangerous. The demagogue already encourages violence and he doesn't care how many people would die as a result. If he loses the election or is removed from office, his loyal supporters who treat him like he's god will not be happy about it. They are talking about a second civil war and they genuinely believe that will become a reality. In this day and age, martial law will put an end to that before it would even escalate to that point. People who loathe the demagogue never really have a conversation about a civil war, at least from what I've seen so far. This rhetoric about civil war is not something that should be ignored if people are willing to kill in the name of this so called President.



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Dec 17 2019, 12:41 pm Oh_Man Post #84

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Fair enough. My devil's advocating dries up against these points, at least.




Dec 18 2019, 10:54 pm KrayZee Post #85



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Fair enough. My devil's advocating dries up against these points, at least.
That's the thing. Trying to defend the indefensible is impossible unless you make something up. It doesn't even help when historians ranks him dead last, his approval rating never reached 50 according to Gallup Poll, told more than 15,000 lies, always acts like a complete buffoon, is lazy and most of his cabinet leaves, resigns, is fired or went to jail. Although I think that him being lazy is somewhat a good thing since he doesn't cause more damage than he already has.

How can anyone defend that without mentioning Obama or Clinton in their arguments? Why does the First Lady always look like she's being held hostage? You know something is completely wrong when The Onion and South Park doesn't want to make fun of him when he's doing it to himself already. Any comedian would just repeat what he said word for word and it's already funny with zero effort. Like what the actual fuck?



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Dec 19 2019, 8:25 pm Zoan Post #86

Math + Physics + StarCraft = Zoan

Hey, now he’s impeached :O



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Dec 19 2019, 11:35 pm KrayZee Post #87



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Hey, now he’s impeached :O
Yep. I just hope senators would grow a spine and convict him.



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