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Liar Game: Downsizing #1
Feb 25 2013, 4:27 am
By: Azrael
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Mar 13 2013, 12:15 am Azrael Post #81



Round 9 is over.
                                            1st) Raitaki        ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 61
2nd) rayNimagi |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 44
3rd) Positively |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 42
3rd) zzt |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 42
Round 10 will end Saturday, 8:00 PM (EST)


Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Mar 16 2013, 1:47 am by Azrael.




Mar 14 2013, 12:27 am Azrael Post #82



I previously received a notice from Positively informing me he most likely could not participate this round, and it seems that is what happened. Although I won't disclose his reasons, I will say they are legitimate in nature. Taking that into account, along with the fact he gave me fair warning, and has participated actively thus far, I will be delaying this round's conclusion until the day after he returns. In the meantime, contracts can still be created.

The round will last until 8 PM after Positively is back, or 12 hours after he's back, whichever comes second.

Edit: Positively will reply to the thread to notify the other players that he's back.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Mar 15 2013, 11:38 pm by Azrael.




Mar 15 2013, 2:22 am payne Post #83

:payne:

I'd like to place a bet of 400 minerals on Raitaki.



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Mar 15 2013, 5:59 am Raitaki Post #84



Okay.

payne, I'll take your bet. Az, I'll bet 400 minerals against myself. If I don't come out on top then I get 1/4 of that, otherwise I'll give you 400.



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Mar 16 2013, 1:29 am Positively Post #85



Hey guys! I'm back :). I've successfully moved and stuff and ready to back into action. Rai. How did your votes go up 24500534957345947534 in one round. You hax. I hate you. I'll make sure you lose. :devlin:



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Mar 16 2013, 1:33 am Raitaki Post #86



:kame:

Wanna buy my hack before you die, at least? :wtfawesome:



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Mar 16 2013, 1:48 am Azrael Post #87



Alright, looks like we're back in business.

Round 10 will end Saturday, 8:00 PM (EST)





Mar 17 2013, 1:00 am zzt Post #88



Now it's gonna end! I can't wait to see the results!



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Mar 17 2013, 1:03 am Raitaki Post #89



Nothing I could do

:hurr:



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Mar 17 2013, 4:02 am Azrael Post #90



Round 10 is over.
                                              1st) zzt            ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 59
2nd) Raitaki ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 51
3rd) Positively |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 50
4th) rayNimagi ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 49
The results will now be determined.

Account Balances
zzt: $64,000,002
Raitaki: $90,999,998
Positively: $112,000,000
rayNimagi: $123,000,000
rayNimagi, for having the least votes, loses $123,000,000.

The other players receive a portion of this money, each gaining
$15,375,000.

As the game has now ended, every player loses
$100,000,000.

The final balances will be displayed in the rankings below.

Final Rankings


The Champion

Raitaki
$6,374,998



Winners

Positively
$27,375,000



Losers

zzt
-$20,624,998



The Failure

rayNimagi
-$100,000,000


Congratulations to Raitaki, the champion of this Liar Game.


Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Jun 9 2015, 9:01 am by Azrael.




Mar 17 2013, 4:42 am rayNimagi Post #91



I knew I should have bought more votes on the last round! Oh well. Congratulations, Raitaki! It looks like you owe payne 400 minerals :P



Win by luck, lose by skill.

Mar 17 2013, 5:21 am zzt Post #92



Congratulations Raitaki and good work, Positively. I thought I'd win, but things didn't come out as I expected :(

Hm.. I'm sure I know almost everything about the contracts between people, but I can't even guess the content of the contract between Raitaki and rayNimagi. Did rayNimagi sell JUST ONE of his votes for 90,000,000$? Really? Is one vote worth that much? Or, is this a genius plan of Raitaki who figured out what I was trying to do?

And Az, I can't quite know why I have merely 53 votes. I think I'm supposed to get 21 votes at the end of round 10 (5 due to a contract with Raitaki - he's supposed to vote for me, and 16 due to contracts with Raitaki - He should transfer that many to me) and lose 4 (3 due to a contract with Positively, 1 due to one with rayNimagi). So, my net vote gain should be 17, and 42 plus 17 isn't 53 for sure. What the hell had happened?

In my honest opinion, I think you forgot about this contract.


Raitaki transfers 6 of his votes to zzt at the end of round 10.
zzt pays Raitaki 9,999,999$.


Well, the results don't change even after that, but this should make me look less foolish. This should explain the reason why I had this little amount of money even though Raitaki has more votes than me. :)




Now that the game is over, I reveal what I had planned:

In round 1 I did:

Contract between Raitaki and zzt


Using this, I got 50 votes from Raitaki and he got 50 from me. Basically, you can't be the failure as long as you have at least 1/n of the total votes, where n is the number of players. Things got complicated as some people got inactive, but anyways, I thought I'd never be the failure as long as this is in effect.

After some rounds, everyone except we four got out of the game and rayNimagi sent Positively and me some PMs:
Contract between Raitaki, zzt and Positively


So, Positively and rayNimagi were basicaly planning to exchange votes between them and make Raikati isolated. Since I was bound to the contract with Raitaki, I agreed only to the ones where I receive votes and ran away. This way I was able to get 6 additional votes, geting ahead of Rai, although I lost some money in the process. Plus, I bought 6 votes from Raitaki with 10,000,000$. That's why I have so many votes right now.

After that, I tried to sell votes with money. I said "If you don't buy votes from me, I'm sure you're gonna be the failure. Hahaha! So buy votes from me NOW!", but no one was listening to me. I lied as many times as I can to make them listen to me and used some pretty neat tricks, but nothing changed. I was pretty short on money, so I launched my genius plan B.

I did some math and figured out that Raitaki's gonna have exactly 50 votes as the game ends unless he's got some other contracts (which is what exactly happened). So, I sold rayNimagi and Positively some votes in a very cheap price so that their votes would be exactly 50 too. They did agree to this, so I thought my plan was perfect. If things went as I planned, all of you three would have been the failure with $-100,000,000, while I would have had about $60,000,000.

Well, Things got wrong for me as Raitaki got careful. He somehow bought 1 vote from rayNimagi, and that screwed my plan. I don't know if he expected this or has been just a bit more careful, but anyways, that ruined my plan for a tie - the evilest plan where I become the only winner (and the champion) and all other players fail with a great amount of debt.

GG



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Mar 17 2013, 5:33 am Azrael Post #93



Quote from zzt
In my honest opinion, I think you forgot about this contract.

You are correct ^^ It seems I overlooked it while updating the vote count.

I've updated the final results to take this into account.




Mar 17 2013, 5:37 am rayNimagi Post #94



Quote from zzt
Hm.. I'm sure I know almost everything about the contracts between people, but I can't even guess the content of the contract between Raitaki and rayNimagi. Did rayNimagi sell JUST ONE of his votes for 90,000,000$? Really? Is one vote worth that much? Or, is this a genius plan of Raitaki who figured out what I was trying to do?

Actually, it was only $9 million, not $90 million. Around round 4 I had agreed to sell Raitaki one vote under the condition that I had at least two more votes than the lowest player going into the last round (see below).
The following contract will go into effect if and only if at least one other player besides Raitaki and rayNimagi has at most 2 votes less than rayNimagi's total vote count before the final round of voting ends.

Raitaki pays $9,000,000 to rayNimagi.
rayNimagi transfers at least one vote to Raitaki on the final round.


Almost every other round, I was swapping five-for-five with Positively, except when I tried to make an anti-Raitaki alliance around round 5. (I don't hate Raitaki, I just wanted to win, and he was in the lead. We have to create a balance of power, right? :D ). Anyways, that failed, so I tried to make sure that my balance would be positive at the end of the game. I reasoned that as long as Raitaki's balance was negative, he couldn't win. Thinking that zzt or Positively would end up with the least votes, I only bought one vote from zzt on the last round. In retrospect I should have bought just two more, which would have prevented me from being the failure.



Win by luck, lose by skill.

Mar 17 2013, 11:41 am NudeRaider Post #95

We can't explain the universe, just describe it; and we don't know whether our theories are true, we just know they're not wrong. >Harald Lesch

Quote from zzt
my plan for a tie - the evilest plan where I become the only winner (and the champion) and all other players fail with a great amount of debt.
As I understand the rules for player ranking the others would've become the failures, as you say, but you would've become a loser because you didn't have a positive balance.
Az, can you clear this up?




Mar 17 2013, 2:27 pm zzt Post #96



Quote from NudeRaider
Quote from zzt
my plan for a tie - the evilest plan where I become the only winner (and the champion) and all other players fail with a great amount of debt.
As I understand the rules for player ranking the others would've become the failures, as you say, but you would've become a loser because you didn't have a positive balance.
Az, can you clear this up?

Quote
The Failure

The player who ended the game with the fewest votes. Any money this player has remaining will be split evenly among the other players. If there are less than 9 players, the amount will still be distributed as if there were 9 players, with any remaining money being lost. This transfer occurs before the $100,000,000 deduction.

This is the worst ranking.

In the event of a tie, all tied players will become The Failure.

So, if all other remaining players had become the failure, 1/8 of their money would have been given to me. (But Az, I think this should have been 1/7, since we started the game with 8 players. Actually, in my most honest opinion, this game's greatest feature is 'zero-sum', so if I were you, I would have given 1/3 since there were 4 players left at that moment. Well, I would have been a winner if this was 1/3.)

Anyways, if my plan went right, since they had $326M in total, I would have got at least $41M. Since I already had $64M at the end of the game, I would have had $105M, and that's enough for making me a winner. Well, even if it wasn't going to make me win, I would have done it anyway because it makes me the player with the best result.


Actually, I think the game would have been a bit more thrilling if being the failure just took away $100M (What the original game did). This creates an interseting strategy - if a player negotiates very well and somehow gets additional $100M by selling his votes, he will become a winner too even though he became the failure. Actually, considering that a player actually tried this in the original game, this might have been funny.



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Mar 17 2013, 3:14 pm Raitaki Post #97



Whoa. Holy cow, zzt, nice triple alliance you got there. I'll have you know that in round 8, I've dangled for Positively a lifeliine in the form of a contract where I'd sell him 1 vote for $5 million, and it seems he didn't take it. If he had, then we would have switched places and he'd have been Champion. :wtfawesome: I was aware you guys had been trading for a while, and I thought you were going to use your illusion of being potential Failure to sell unnecessary votes and get money for a positive balance and leave Positively with only a little, so I decided to get some from him first, as by my calculations if the Failure had $81,000,000,001 or less money I'd end up with a non-positive balance and lose :P

Also, the contract with ray was already made some time prior as a safeguard, before I had the brains to remember I would have to lose $100 mil at the end of the game even if I had the most votes :P Since it wouldn't go into effect if ray only had 1 vote more than Positively, so I tried working against that possibility a bit to avoid shelling out the $9 mil, but then you showed up and offered me $10 mil so I was like oh okay :wtfawesome:



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Mar 17 2013, 6:34 pm Positively Post #98



GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH RAITAKI WON. MY WHOLE GAME IS RUINED. :-(

zzt you lied to me :( You said that Raitaki would lose. That was my ONLY condition for trading with anyone other than Ray, that Raiboob would lose. >:o
How very disappointing.

Oh wellls, gg everyone! It was fun even though I didn't plan things out as well as any of you, I just did what I could to make Rai lose.
I'm also surprised that I was A WINNER. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA y'all suck.



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Mar 17 2013, 8:02 pm Raitaki Post #99



Quote
I just did what I could to make Rai lose
Liar. You didn't buy my vote. If you did, you'd have been the Champion instead of me :P



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Mar 17 2013, 8:30 pm Positively Post #100



I DIDN'T KNOW DAMNIT. WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST LOSE LIKE YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO.



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