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Nexus Word Wars Banned
Oct 12 2010, 11:10 am
By: Fierce
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Oct 12 2010, 11:10 am Fierce Post #1



Nexus Word Wars was banned because it contained the word "dyke" in it. Really Blizzard? Does anyone else get annoyed by censorship in general? I paid $100 for a game that contains censorship. What is really weird is that there is vulgarity in the campaign yet we cannot use vulgarity in the slightest in custom maps.

I, personally, am getting annoyed with people's feelings about something being considered offensive. I do understand some things in a certain context (For example: a swastika that is irrelevant to the map like a map about knights) However, if it is a map that is WW2-based, people really need to get over this stuff.

I'm also tired of people backing Blizzard by saying stuff like "It is one of their policies. You agreed to it when you created your account." Why people? Why not do something about it to gain a small bit of freedom back that they took away? Like I said, offensive material that is irrelevant to the map or is just excessive is reasonable enough to remove. "Dyke" in this example should NOT be considered offensive. It came from a 32k word list via dictionary. It was random. There was no intent of being offensive.



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Oct 12 2010, 12:02 pm NudeRaider Post #2

We can't explain the universe, just describe it; and we don't know whether our theories are true, we just know they're not wrong. >Harald Lesch

I had to check up on dyke to see why it could be considered offensive. In my case Blizzard helped expanding my knowledge of offensive words. Great policy I say.

Things like that are the reason why I didn't agree to their terms. I informed myself beforehand and chose not to buy SC2 despite it would've been an autobuy. Everyone who bought SC2 and agreed to their terms: Good job supporting this bullshit. Complaining AFTER paying Blizzard for it is pointless. You brought this over yourself.
But yes, I too rage over Blizzard for screwing us over. This has to end.




Oct 12 2010, 12:04 pm Alzarath Post #3

Praetor

What percent of people actually read the agreement? I sure didn't. :\



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Oct 12 2010, 12:19 pm Generalpie Post #4

Staredit Puckwork

I did :awesome:



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Oct 12 2010, 5:05 pm Fierce Post #5



Quote from NudeRaider
I had to check up on dyke to see why it could be considered offensive. In my case Blizzard helped expanding my knowledge of offensive words. Great policy I say.

Things like that are the reason why I didn't agree to their terms. I informed myself beforehand and chose not to buy SC2 despite it would've been an autobuy. Everyone who bought SC2 and agreed to their terms: Good job supporting this bullshit. Complaining AFTER paying Blizzard for it is pointless. You brought this over yourself.
But yes, I too rage over Blizzard for screwing us over. This has to end.
With you or without you, or with me or without me, the game would still have sold. Any object with a Starcraft sticker slapped on it can sell. You are missing out on some great gameplay despite the negatives that Blizzard has given through their policies. Complaining after paying Blizzard gives me a right to complain. Sure, I did not have to pay the $100 or anything at all to get the game. However, I would've truly missed out on a great game. I enjoyed the Multiplayer experience as well as the Singleplayer experience. However I have a possible solution that may give Blizzard our thoughts on such. People could possibly make the maps but not publish them and everyone who is part of the map making community could post on the BNET forums saying "I refuse to publish my map because of censorship and fear of possible deletion of my work." Eventually you will get some "blues" to post something on the matter. Hopefully then Blizzard could force map makers to apply a "map rating"-like system where you must have "Contains adult language.. etc" in order to use such. But that is all just a "maybe."

After all, this game wouldn't be worth it at all without the map making community that it has, at least in terms of replay value.

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Oct 12 2010, 5:33 pm UnholyUrine Post #6



The single player campaign itself isn't anything astounding. It's just SC1 without a good storyline.
Multiplayer was nothing spectacular either due to the lack of good custom games.

But that's besides the point.
I didn't buy SC2 either. I'm just glad that my friend has given me his account ^.^
So, I support you, Nude. :nude: = <3

Fierce, you can go fuck yourself. :awesome: because I'm raging too, and we have a right to rage because of the shit Blizzard shat all over us.

wtf is dyke anyway? A prostitute?
Nexus Word Wars is one of the few maps that actually made use of the powerful editor. It is a shame that they've decided to use that as an example of their overly zealous movement with censorship.



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Oct 12 2010, 5:56 pm FoxWolf1 Post #7



Quote from UnholyUrine
wtf is dyke anyway? A prostitute?

It's a wall built to prevent flooding. Or, alternatively, a lesbian.



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Oct 12 2010, 6:05 pm Azrael Post #8



Quote from Fierce
With you or without you, or with me or without me, the game would still have sold.

This mentality is why they don't care. You can complain about them or to them as much as you want, but as long as people like you continue to hand them your money regardless of their actions, they aren't going to change.

Quote from Fierce
Complaining after paying Blizzard gives me a right to complain.

Everyone has a right to complain, regardless of if they paid already. The only difference is Blizzard doesn't care what you have to say because they already have your money, and you've made it clear that you'll keep giving it to them no matter what they do. They have absolutely nothing to gain by listening to you or people like you.

Not buying the game is the clearest message you can send to them. You say "OH BUT THEN YOU ARE REALLY MISSING OUT," which means you've sent the message to them "I don't approve of your policies, but am going to overlook them."

The only way to make a company listen is with your wallet, and you told them that what they're doing is acceptable.




Oct 12 2010, 7:05 pm UnholyUrine Post #9



Fuck, i pressed the wrong button and deleted my post D:

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It's a wall built to prevent flooding. Or, alternatively, a lesbian.
Don't you mean that it's a wEll built to prevent flooding, instead of a wall? Or, alternatively, a slang that nobody even knows about unless we checked Urban Dictionary.

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The only way to make a company listen is with your wallet, and you told them that what they're doing is acceptable.

Unfortunately, boycotting a game that we love so much will be hard. But I totally agree. The amount of shit that Blizzard is spreading on us is outrageous, and trying to defend them is just as good as trying to say Hitler was doing the right thing.

I'm seeing people saying things like "I only care about x and y, I don't care about the the rest of the argument". This is the sign that people have already felt quite saddened and hopeless that they're starting to compromise, aka bargaining. That's the 3rd stage of grief.

The 5 Stages of Grief

Aka Bargaining.

Please, Don't start bargaining. We don't have to accept this shit. You can say that i'm at the anger stage, but at least i'm trying NOT to accept this. It's because this is WRONG, and we shouldn't have to grieve over something like this.

The reason behind Nexus Word Wars' Ban was so that Blizzard can make it an example. They wanted to show that they will not back down from their over zealous censoring policies. Think about it. A word game is bound to have suggestive things. What are you going to do, ban the map because "69" just happens to be a number that can be interpreted as a sexual innuendo?

By doing so, they also showed that they don't give a rat's ass about the community and people's ideas. The company doesn't care about these things anymore. All they care about is trying to rake in as much dough as possible. This can be done by controlling every facet of the game.

Give it up. We're screwed. Let's just all hope for a censor free, chatroom filled, Lan-able, Customizable Game name possible, community driven, Pirated B.net 2.

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Oct 12 2010, 7:31 pm FoxWolf1 Post #10



Quote from UnholyUrine
Fuck, i pressed the wrong button and deleted my post D:

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It's a wall built to prevent flooding. Or, alternatively, a lesbian.
Don't you mean that it's a wEll built to prevent flooding, instead of a wall? Or, alternatively, a slang that nobody even knows about unless we checked Urban Dictionary.

No, a wall. You put it up where it will block the water...

And it's really not that rare a piece of slang.

Quote from UnholyUrine
Unfortunately, boycotting a game that we love so much will be hard. But I totally agree. The amount of shit that Blizzard is spreading on us is outrageous, and trying to defend them is just as good as trying to say Hitler was doing the right thing.

*shrug* To be honest, I haven't found not having SC2 to be that difficult. I mean, we all got along fine without it for most of our lives, so I'm not sure why it follows that just because it's the sequel to a game that we liked, we have to have this deep, painful need for it.



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Oct 12 2010, 8:23 pm Fierce Post #11



Quote from UnholyUrine
The single player campaign itself isn't anything astounding. It's just SC1 without a good storyline.
Multiplayer was nothing spectacular either due to the lack of good custom games.

But that's besides the point.
I didn't buy SC2 either. I'm just glad that my friend has given me his account ^.^
So, I support you, Nude. :nude: = <3

Fierce, you can go fuck yourself. :awesome: because I'm raging too, and we have a right to rage because of the shit Blizzard shat all over us.

wtf is dyke anyway? A prostitute?
Nexus Word Wars is one of the few maps that actually made use of the powerful editor. It is a shame that they've decided to use that as an example of their overly zealous movement with censorship.

I'll disregard any sort of opinion you have, UnholyUrine. You aren't mature enough to have a discussion without saying "fuck you", at least not in an intellectual way. Although, I will reply to the "right to rage because Blizzard shat all over us" since Azrael.Wrath replied with the same idea. Read below.

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Quote from Fierce
With you or without you, or with me or without me, the game would still have sold.

This mentality is why they don't care. You can complain about them or to them as much as you want, but as long as people like you continue to hand them your money regardless of their actions, they aren't going to change.

Quote from Fierce
Complaining after paying Blizzard gives me a right to complain.

Everyone has a right to complain, regardless of if they paid already. The only difference is Blizzard doesn't care what you have to say because they already have your money, and you've made it clear that you'll keep giving it to them no matter what they do. They have absolutely nothing to gain by listening to you or people like you.

Not buying the game is the clearest message you can send to them. You say "OH BUT THEN YOU ARE REALLY MISSING OUT," which means you've sent the message to them "I don't approve of your policies, but am going to overlook them."

The only way to make a company listen is with your wallet, and you told them that what they're doing is acceptable.

First off, if you realized this, Starcraft 1 was a HUGE eSport. Regardless of the map making community (or custom games) SC2 would sell pretty well.

Okay. So you are basically calling everyone of the SC2 map making community fools because they allowed this to happen. The founder of this site is a fool. Nice. Now I understand you aren't straight up calling anyone a fool, however, you are looking down upon them in such a fashion.


Blizzard doesn't need your $60. Your opinion is like not even a pest at all, much like mine as well as others. So this statement doesn't prove anything.

Why would I not buy the game? So I am totally going to miss out on a game, which I enjoyed, because I don't like a certain policy? I enjoyed the SP & MP regardless of what you thought of it, because after all it is my experience.

The only way to make a company listen is by not paying? Good luck with that.

Also I am in no way backing blizzard. I am furious as to why they did this. I do not, however, completely agree with your logic.

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Oct 12 2010, 8:55 pm UnholyUrine Post #12



Luls, there goes the "maturity" thing again. Like I haven't heard that argument before.
This is a gaming forum, and I'm here to be entertained and do stuff for fun. To me, it is actually more immature to pretend to be of a higher status by being more eloquent. Any sense of maturity is all egotistic and narcissistic.
If you decide to disregard my opinions in its entirety, then that's just too bad for you. If you, however, wish that I would stop using language that'd offend you, then you can say that.

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Why would I not buy the game? So I am totally going to miss out on a game, which I enjoyed, because I don't like a certain policy? I enjoyed the SP & MP regardless of what you thought of it, because after all it is my experience.
I actually think that it is an appropriate and entirely understandable reason to NOT buy a game. Going back to that restaurant analogy that husky talked about in his video about the State of B.net 2.0, if you love the food that the restaurant serves, but the waiters or waitresses there gives poor services, you may think "I like the restaurant, but I'm not going back there until they fire that waiter/waitress."

See? I typed this entire passage without saying "fuck you!" ..
o shit, wait.



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Oct 12 2010, 9:57 pm TiKels Post #13



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Nexus Word Wars is one of the few maps that actually made use of the powerful editor. It is a shame that they've decided to use that as an example of their overly zealous movement with censorship.
No. Just no. You rage so hard that you fail to make any sort of logic. With language like that, rather than actually defounding (if you will) their principles, you are going on sole emotions and it is really irritating to read. Starcraft 2 IS ENJOYABLE. Plain and simple. No game was ever built without flaw, if I dare say so, so why does this one make starcraft any different? Because it is "your starcraft"? Your little precious? No, stop living in the past and just move on. You little whiney brats just can't learn to let go, if you wanted to play starcraft 1, play starcraft 1 and get off battle.net 2.

Ironically you advocate boycotting starcraft 2, and complain of how we do nothing do boycott it, but you yourself play the game (even if you aren't giving money, you STILL are supporting playing it, defeating your purpose) as well as do nothing to boycott it. Hypocrisy.

There are so many points (virtually all, if not all of them) that I could just pick at and destroy but to be completely honest, this isn't worth my time. I'll stop with calling you a hypocrite.

And also, nexus word wars will most likely be remade.



"If a topic that clearly interest noone needs to be closed to underline the "we don't want this here" message, is up to debate."

-NudeRaider

Oct 12 2010, 10:15 pm UnholyUrine Post #14



The part you quoted doesn't really depict me raging....

The amount of problems that B.net 2 has over b.net 1, and the continuous ignorance that Blizzard seems to be posing on us is good enough for anyone to rage. Why don't you stop whining about US whining? It's not like we want chatrooms because B.net 1 has it, it's because it is quite an essential part of the game.

You seem to rage even more than me...

Yes, I am a hypocrite, and the people behind blizzard are probably laughing their asses off with that. But what choice do I have? The only game that I've constantly played was Starcraft 1. All my closest friends have bought Starcraft 2. And everyone here on this forum, which I frequent, is playing Starcraft 1 and/or Starcraft 2.
This doesn't mean that my arguments don't mean anything, nor does it mean that our whining shouldn't be warranted.

Now stop being like me back when I was angry at Ex :P

From the part you quoted, I can explain why I said that.. Blizzard must know that Nexus Word Wars is one of the most popular maps, and is also one of the more creative ones out there. They should also know that a WORD game will consists of a lot of words that may have w/e depictions/slangs.
Two things that they decided to do that made me realize they were trying to show off their iron-fists was:
1. Being a fucking word game, there're bound to be words that don't go along well with the censorship. Is it just SOO fucking difficult to e-mail or even send a newsletter thing to the author and say "Hey, you got words we don't like. Can you please remove it?"
They're not doing this because they fear that they will give too much power to the author. No negotiation. Just right away, straight ban.

2. Using Dyke as an example is taking a low-blow. A lot of us don't even know that dyke meant something other than a wall or a ditch (SEE FOX, it IS A WELL ALSO.. LOOK UP WIKI :awesome:) What if the author's first language wasn't English? By using dyke as the only example, they're also reserving the banned word-list for themselves, again to give themselves more power.

Both of these points tell me that they just want to control everything and have no concern about the community.
This drives me to not want to make maps, buy the game, or even play it (since the system's shitty anyway).



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Oct 12 2010, 11:58 pm Fierce Post #15



Quote from UnholyUrine
Luls, there goes the "maturity" thing again. Like I haven't heard that argument before.
1.) It's most certainly not an argument.
2.) If you've heard it before, you should work on it.

This is a gaming forum, and I'm here to be entertained and do stuff for fun. To me, it is actually more immature to pretend to be of a higher status by being more eloquent. Any sense of maturity is all egotistic and narcissistic.
If you decide to disregard my opinions in its entirety, then that's just too bad for you. If you, however, wish that I would stop using language that'd offend you, then you can say that.
A game is entertainment. A gaming forum is entertainment. Having a reasonable discussion, in which you are voicing your opinion about things, is not the equivalent to the entertainment of a video game. Maturity does not make someone egotistical and/or narcissistic.

Your language does not offend me the least bit. It just shows ignorance.


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Why would I not buy the game? So I am totally going to miss out on a game, which I enjoyed, because I don't like a certain policy? I enjoyed the SP & MP regardless of what you thought of it, because after all it is my experience.
I actually think that it is an appropriate and entirely understandable reason to NOT buy a game. Going back to that restaurant analogy that husky talked about in his video about the State of B.net 2.0, if you love the food that the restaurant serves, but the waiters or waitresses there gives poor services, you may think "I like the restaurant, but I'm not going back there until they fire that waiter/waitress."

That, sir, is bad reasoning. If you love the food, the next time you go you will hope that the waiter/waitress is not working. I mean after all, you don't necessarily always have that waiter/waitress. I would take great food over the bad representation of a waiter/waitress. It is understandable though that bad representation will make you think twice about eating there.

See? I typed this entire passage without saying "fuck you!" ..
o shit, wait.

Look at you go, you clever man!

^ Anyways, I had to get the last word in to make you understand my feelings upon the subject. I will no longer discuss anything related to what is typed above. Call it cowardly or whatever you want but I'm going to stay on topic. ^

Quote from UnholyUrine
The part you quoted doesn't really depict me raging....

The amount of problems that B.net 2 has over b.net 1, and the continuous ignorance that Blizzard seems to be posing on us is good enough for anyone to rage. Why don't you stop whining about US whining? It's not like we want chatrooms because B.net 1 has it, it's because it is quite an essential part of the game.
Oh the irony. You do realize that you, as well as Azrael.Wrath, were complaining about my complaint about the map being banned and my anger towards it.

You seem to rage even more than me...

Yes, I am a hypocrite, and the people behind blizzard are probably laughing their asses off with that. But what choice do I have? The only game that I've constantly played was Starcraft 1. All my closest friends have bought Starcraft 2. And everyone here on this forum, which I frequent, is playing Starcraft 1 and/or Starcraft 2.
This doesn't mean that my arguments don't mean anything, nor does it mean that our whining shouldn't be warranted.

Well from Azrael's post, you didn't HAVE to buy it. You fed it just like everyone else and you can't point any fingers at all.

Now stop being like me back when I was angry at Ex :P

From the part you quoted, I can explain why I said that.. Blizzard must know that Nexus Word Wars is one of the most popular maps, and is also one of the more creative ones out there. They should also know that a WORD game will consists of a lot of words that may have w/e depictions/slangs.
Two things that they decided to do that made me realize they were trying to show off their iron-fists was:
Not backing Blizzard's policy, it is their game and they can ban anyone without any warning or meaning at all.

1. Being a fucking word game, there're bound to be words that don't go along well with the censorship. Is it just SOO fucking difficult to e-mail or even send a newsletter thing to the author and say "Hey, you got words we don't like. Can you please remove it?"
They're not doing this because they fear that they will give too much power to the author. No negotiation. Just right away, straight ban.

Like I just previously said, they didn't have to even tell him the reasoning as to why it was banned.

2. Using Dyke as an example is taking a low-blow. A lot of us don't even know that dyke meant something other than a wall or a ditch (SEE FOX, it IS A WELL ALSO.. LOOK UP WIKI :awesome:) What if the author's first language wasn't English? By using dyke as the only example, they're also reserving the banned word-list for themselves, again to give themselves more power.

If a person bought the game in the US, they are given a US character. Being that English (or whatever you want to call our ever changing language) is our primary language in the US, they will use English as a default standard. You don't see French or German in the US realm, do you?

Both of these points tell me that they just want to control everything and have no concern about the community.
This drives me to not want to make maps, buy the game, or even play it (since the system's shitty anyway).

Finally something we both can agree on. I 100% agree that they are trying to control everything and do not care about their community. This is known as big business.



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Oct 13 2010, 12:10 am BiOAtK Post #16



Why are you guys implying that it would've hurt Blizzard if no one bought SC2? They don't need it to be a success, even though it was. They have WoW, for Christ's sake. You can't change anything from withholding a measly 60$.



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Oct 13 2010, 12:10 am Dem0n Post #17

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Blizzard has moved on from caring about the community to just doing what they want to and acting as though there isn't even a community to begin with. Anything that we say is disregarded, unless it creates a huge shit storm like the chat channel controversy did. From what I've heard, SC2 has a mediocre campaign with pretty cinematics and semi-decent multiplayer. Everyone I've talked to has said that, except for Tikels. He's just living in his own world and trying to act as though there isn't anything hugely wrong with SC2. The game's worse than its predecessor. That shouldn't happen, especially when Blizzard's got so many positive things to build off of. They tried to make battle.net 2.0 incredibly innovative, but instead, they just made it shiny and useless.



Memes gather, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the memer on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of memes. I pledge my life and honor to the Meme's Watch, for this meme and all the memes to come.

Oct 13 2010, 12:21 am ClansAreForGays Post #18



Quote from Fierce
Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
Quote from Fierce
With you or without you, or with me or without me, the game would still have sold.

This mentality is why they don't care. You can complain about them or to them as much as you want, but as long as people like you continue to hand them your money regardless of their actions, they aren't going to change.

Quote from Fierce
Complaining after paying Blizzard gives me a right to complain.

Everyone has a right to complain, regardless of if they paid already. The only difference is Blizzard doesn't care what you have to say because they already have your money, and you've made it clear that you'll keep giving it to them no matter what they do. They have absolutely nothing to gain by listening to you or people like you.

Not buying the game is the clearest message you can send to them. You say "OH BUT THEN YOU ARE REALLY MISSING OUT," which means you've sent the message to them "I don't approve of your policies, but am going to overlook them."

The only way to make a company listen is with your wallet, and you told them that what they're doing is acceptable.

First off, if you realized this, Starcraft 1 was a HUGE eSport. Regardless of the map making community (or custom games) SC2 would sell pretty well.

Okay. So you are basically calling everyone of the SC2 map making community fools because they allowed this to happen. The founder of this site is a fool. Nice. Now I understand you aren't straight up calling anyone a fool, however, you are looking down upon them in such a fashion.
non sequitur, straw man.... I'll just stop there. I'm sure you've made more logical fallicies, but these are enough to show how crazy you sound. Go ahead, re-read what you just said. You fail Fierce.




Oct 13 2010, 3:12 am Hercanic Post #19

STF mod creator, Modcrafters.com admin, CampaignCreations.org staff

Not to be insulting, but some of these arguments are almost cartoonish in their ferocity.

I'll say this, though. By not buying Starcraft 2, how will Blizzard know what your reasoning is? How would Blizzard know you were even a potential sale? There are countless reasons why someone did not buy a game; Blizzard is not telepathic. A boycott isn't just about refusing to buy something to "send a message" -- you have to actually send a literal message that details the reasoning behind your actions. If you don't, no one will know; how could they?

On the topic of boycotting, in 1955, Rosa Parks was arrested for refusing to move from a seat designated for white people on a bus. This ignited the Montgomery Bus Boycott for racial discrimination. For the sake of relevance, I'm going to simplify this example by leaving out the obvious human rights issues, bigotry, backlash of violence and intensified persecution, and how it took the Supreme Court to finally make the landmark decision.

As a boycott, from the perspective of the city, it worked for several reasons. First, using a bus is a recurring transaction. Second, blacks made up three-fourths of the riders on buses. When that large chunk of business suddenly stopped, in unison, from engaging in daily payments, that revenue drop was noticeable (enough to cause economic distress, in fact). The drop was noticeable because the bus system had past figures with which to compare to. Given the small, if any, amount of change in how buses operate from day-to-day, a sudden drop in sales provokes thought as to why. Third and finally, blacks were vocal on exactly why they were not using the bus system. Thus, everyone heard what the reason was, and the financial loses forced them to listen.

The assertion that by not buying a game you are "sending a message" is wrong, because it is not enough. Contrast those factors of bus tickets to the sale of a video game. A game is released once (not counting Gold editions), and once someone owns a game they are not likely to buy another copy (saturation), so there is little to no recurring transactions. One shot means there are no past figures to compare to. At least, not in any practical way for precisely determining cause-and-effect: They could look at SC1's sales figures; they could look at the sales figures of their competition; they could look at their day-to-day sales (which is constrained by saturation, mentioned earlier), but all of these are fundamentally flawed methods of gauging potential sales. There exists too many significant differences between the two samples, at every level, to do so: graphics, marketing, box art, gameplay, feel, theme, style, nostalgia, word-of-mouth, limited disposable income, release date in relation to competing factors, current events, a restrictive EULA, etc. Beyond the abstracts of fuzzy math based on a hypothetical market size, they have no way of truly identifying missed sales -- much less their cause.

If you do not wish to support a company, for whatever reason, by buying their product, more power to you. That is your choice and right as a consumer. If you want to affect change, however, your grievances must be made public; specifically aired to reach the ear of those who have the power and authority to enact those desired changes. You must work to help organize like-minded people, in order to amplify your voice into a chorus, and lend financial impact to your message with a real boycott. Anything less is to allow what dissatisfies you to run unchecked and unchallenged. "Someone else will do it", right?

Would a real, organized boycott actually accomplish anything? That is another issue entirely, but I think we can all agree that apathy doesn't motivate change. If you don't like Blizzard's policy, speak up. If you instead say, "Oh, Blizzard doesn't care; we won't change anything", you're just being counter-productive. Such talk is self-fulfilling if enough people believe it. I say, "Why sit and be right; when you can try, and do what you feel is right?"

Remember, Blizzard doesn't want to just make money -- they want to keep making money. Two more expansions are on their way. They invested time and money into a robust map editor, and built in features that they said, at BlizzCon '09, they "hope will attract people like flash game developers from places like Kongregate." Obviously, Blizzard wants to capitalize on custom maps and create a new source of revenue. If a mapmaking policy receives enough flak from mapmakers, and those developers boycotted -- not by refraining from purchasing SC2, but by refusing to make awesome maps -- Blizzard will have a vested interest to listen. Alternatively, you could campaign against it through other means, such as using satire about it in your maps to subtly bring attention to the issue. You could make maps that demonstrate how Blizzard is ultimately powerless to censor (though this by itself is juvenile, and must instead be done carefully, tastefully, and reinforced with a statement on the ills of censorship being greater than the sum of offense).

Bear in mind that Blizzard is a company, and is subject to laws and regulations that do not apply to individuals. If Blizzard is in the business of promoting custom content, even selling it, they risk guilt (and lawsuit) by association. (Hot Coffee anyone?) Starcraft 2 is rated T for Teen in the United States. There have been recent laws passed against M-rated games being sold to minors. Ratings include language content, such as with music. If anything, Blizzard is protecting their ass with these blanket censorship policies. Does that make it right, though? Does it stifle creativity? To expand on that, why would a flash developer, who is otherwise completely free, want to place themselves prone under the edicts of this company? These are the sort of questions Blizzard must be forced to face.

If a stipulation that "Online content is not rated" can be made to exempt a company from responsibility of all the jerk-offs in multiplayer -- multiplayer that the company otherwise promotes -- why then can't maps also have the same disclaimer? If Blizzard wants to sell a custom-made map, then they can apply such rigorous standards (if the author is willing, which if not the map cannot be sold, simple as that). Given enough pressure, Blizzard lawyers can surely find a way.



You might be wondering, then: Is this an issue worthy of a boycott? Again, another topic; one I will save for another post.



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Post has been edited 14 time(s), last time on Oct 13 2010, 7:36 am by Hercanic.




Oct 13 2010, 3:57 am Lingie Post #20



Apparently nobody knows that a dyke is the woman that plays the man in a lesbian relationship. Figured I'd throw that in there.

Regardless, I know why Blizzard is doing this. Think back to SC1 when people make compulsive maps with overly extensive vulgarities, and such. Assassinate Bush was really a stellar plot to not get the FBI involved.

Now, we have quality in our maps. Not just garbage trash that gets spread because they say fuck and shit about fifty times each throughout ten minutes of gameplay.



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