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Nexus Word Wars Banned
Oct 12 2010, 11:10 am
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Oct 13 2010, 4:30 am UnholyUrine Post #21



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That, sir, is bad reasoning. If you love the food, the next time you go you will hope that the waiter/waitress is not working. I mean after all, you don't necessarily always have that waiter/waitress. I would take great food over the bad representation of a waiter/waitress. It is understandable though that bad representation will make you think twice about eating there.

Well I still don't get why you feel it doesn't make sense to not but the game because of something you genuinely dislike about it, even tho you know it'd be a good game in the end. I can't even say it's a good game now... but let's just say, it's not the game that has reached its full potential.
Another thing is, if I've bought a product, but I found that it sucked.. then there's a reason for me to complain. That's what the complaint department's for. This is especially true because the product can still be changed for the better. Tho this topic makes it quite clear that they won't be making it any better.

@Hercanic..
I really didn't read all of that, you lost me with your example.
I found this interesting tho:
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If a mapmaking policy receives enough flak from mapmakers, and those developers boycotted -- not by refraining from purchasing SC2, but by refusing to make awesome maps -- Blizzard will have a vested interest to listen.

Also, I'd love to be an advocate.. but B.net forums are moderated by control freaks. But you're right, I should be doing smth else other than arguing.




Update :D

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quote from sc2mapster, which is from b.net's forum.. from KratsAU

Blizzard has posted an offical response in your thread by the way Quote from Blizzard:

Hey Rodrigo, thanks for posting. We're actually in the process of investigating the ban already; it looks like you also contacted our support department about it, which was the right move. Someone will be contacting you soon regarding the issue.

I wanted to point out though that the reports we received for the words included in the map’s dictionary were fairly vast, and clearly offensive in most cases. The one quoted in the reason for the ban was the least offensive. In any case, please wait for the customer service contact and they’ll work with you on republishing and any changes we’d require.

On that note, forum posts aren’t the right place to dispute a ban. We want to make sure that anyone looking to do so please use the correct forms of contact so we can address any requests as quickly as possible. The support web form is the correct place: http://us.blizzard.com/support/webform.xml

This proves one thing is that they have an automatic banning device. Unless someone actually opened to map to find the text... which is plausible but unlikely.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 13 2010, 5:07 am by UnholyUrine.



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Oct 13 2010, 6:29 am Hercanic Post #22

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@Hercanic..
I really didn't read all of that, you lost me with your example.
Upon review, I agree. I have since edited for clarity. I hope it helps.


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On that note, forum posts aren’t the right place to dispute a ban. We want to make sure that anyone looking to do so please use the correct forms of contact so we can address any requests as quickly as possible. The support web form is the correct place: http://us.blizzard.com/support/webform.xml
Generally, I can agree with this procedure ("omfg y i baned for using map hax thos n00bs desurve it" does not warrant a thread), but if Blizzard is fundamentally in the wrong, being forced to settle the matter privately with Blizzard on their terms is a recipe for abuse. Social pressure is a powerful force, and companies want nothing more than to avoid negative exposure and discord. Everything is great and happy in Company X's world!


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That, sir, is bad reasoning. If you love the food, the next time you go you will hope that the waiter/waitress is not working. I mean after all, you don't necessarily always have that waiter/waitress. I would take great food over the bad representation of a waiter/waitress. It is understandable though that bad representation will make you think twice about eating there.
Okay, I just have to join in on the bad analogy bandwagon: The food is the game. The chef, the one who makes the food, is Blizzard. The waiter, the one who brings you the food, is more akin to Battle.net. Custom maps are like adding ketchup or tabasco sauce to said food, allowing you to customize your experience. Although syrup might be disgusting on broccoli, there are circumstances where it would be acceptable, like pancakes. The word dyke might be offensive when used as a disparaging insult, but it also has acceptable uses, like describing a wall that blocks water. It all depends on the context. The blanket censorship is like the restaurant kicking you out because you added some unapproved seasonings to your food that some people don't like, even when it was syrup used on pancakes (and not broccoli).

Would you go to a restaurant that forbid you from pouring syrup on your pancakes? :bleh:




Oct 13 2010, 8:50 am Lanthanide Post #23



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Apparently nobody knows that a dyke is the woman that plays the man in a lesbian relationship. Figured I'd throw that in there.
Sorry, this annoyed me too much so I have to reply.

While some lesbian relationships may take on more heterosexual norms, by no means is this a standard feature of lesbian relationships.

It is better to say that 'dyke' is typically used to refer to more masculine lesbians, similar to the term "butch".



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Oct 13 2010, 11:18 am OlimarandLouie Post #24



It's not like somebody is going to cry over seeing the oh-so-offensive word "dyke" in a game where most pubbies think words are randomly generated.



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Oct 13 2010, 12:59 pm NicholasBeige Post #25



To cut a long story short. This is a very bad move on Blizzards part. While I understand the implications (both legal and economic), and why they have implemented these sort of 'blanket-censorships'... It is a very very bad move on their part.

Hell... in school aged about 14 or 15... I had a geography lesson all about Groynes and Dykes... Of course Blizzard know that the word has 'offensive' connotations... Maybe their Censorship Team is headed by a lesbian... who knows!?

It seems that they want to create animosity and stir up shit. They know how popular Nexus Word Wars is, and they have attacked it. They have made it into a singular example and as such emphasised their position of authority. It is their way of saying: "All your custom maps are belong to us."

And, since our custom maps are the sole property of Activision-Blizzard.... they cannot contain anything that would infringe or cause harm to their Company/Empire. Hence, the Blanket-Censorship.

My reply is going on longer than I had wanted but oh well... To continue with this idea of a boycott, it is futile. The gross-profits that Blizzard make annually is enough (in fact, more than enough) for them to not care about the minority of diehard fans and map makers who feel let down and betrayed by a company they once held in such high regard. And to make matters worse, 90% of these fans and map makers (ie. us and others) have already paid the £30 to $100 for the game....

The most sensible thing I can think of has already been mentioned in this forum. Advertise your maps on various forms and proclaim that you refuse, downright and absolutely refuse to publish the map. Cite some moral or ethical reason, and blame Blizzard's policy for this reason. Then wait 12 months or any undetermined period of time until there becomes 100's of shit-hot, fuckin' awesome maps piled up.

Only thing is, you'll need to get every map-maker on board with this idea. And map-makers are a proud and egotistical breed to say the least... You spend weeks working on a masterpiece, you want others to play it... simple as...

Anyways. rant rant rant.



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Oct 13 2010, 10:30 pm UnholyUrine Post #26



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Hell... in school aged about 14 or 15... I had a geography lesson all about Groynes and Dykes... Of course Blizzard know that the word has 'offensive' connotations... Maybe their Censorship Team is headed by a lesbian... who knows!?
Hell... in school aged about 14 or 15... I had a social studies lesson about penis and vagina. Of course, it was the mandatory sex-ed class... Maybe their Censorship Team flunked outta high school... who knows!?

I also learned what they do to you if your bladder explodes in an accident. It is not pretty and will haunt me for life.

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Okay, I just have to join in on the bad analogy bandwagon: The food is the game. The chef, the one who makes the food, is Blizzard. The waiter, the one who brings you the food, is more akin to Battle.net. ...Would you go to a restaurant that forbid you from pouring syrup on your pancakes?

:prof: say wut? XD (couldn't find a :mindexplode: smiley :()
PANCAKES!!!!



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Oct 13 2010, 10:34 pm Neki Post #27



More anecdotal evidence for the win! Just because you learned about that stuff when you were 14 doesn't mean other people did. I'm not defending what Blizzard is doing, but to assume that everyone knows what terms are offensive and what is not is pretty ignorant: it's better to be safe than sorry, because I'm sure more people are willing to get pissed by the abundance of offensive words rather than the lack of offensive words.



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Oct 13 2010, 11:53 pm Gigins Post #28



People are not getting pissed because of lack of offensive words, dude. Maps are getting banned with no real reason because they seem to content something that is not really offensive to anyone. People are getting pissed because Blizzard is not being reasonable.



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Oct 14 2010, 1:25 am Neki Post #29



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People are not getting pissed because of lack of offensive words, dude. Maps are getting banned with no real reason because they seem to content something that is not really offensive to anyone. People are getting pissed because Blizzard is not being reasonable.
Sorry if you misunderstood what I said, but I meant to say that Blizzard is more likely to go the route where they ban a map that has possibly offensive words because it's more likely to upset less people in comparison to not doing anything at all about it. Parents and news outlets almost always find some reason to rail on video games and something like this could be a venue for bad slander on Blizzard. Also, you realize a word being offensive to someone is purely subjective? Just because you're okay with using certain language doesn't mean others are open to it.



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Oct 15 2010, 3:55 pm Azrael Post #30



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Why are you guys implying that it would've hurt Blizzard if no one bought SC2? They don't need it to be a success, even though it was. They have WoW, for Christ's sake. You can't change anything from withholding a measly 60$.

This statement is blatantly ignorant at best.




Oct 18 2010, 12:00 am Jack Post #31

>be faceless void >mfw I have no face

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Why are you guys implying that it would've hurt Blizzard if no one bought SC2? They don't need it to be a success, even though it was. They have WoW, for Christ's sake. You can't change anything from withholding a measly 60$.

This statement is blatantly ignorant at best.
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/56889/Starcraft-2-Sold-Over-3-Million-Copies-In-First-Month
If that isn't a success, I don't know what is.



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"In short, their absurdities are so extreme that it is painful even to quote them."

Oct 18 2010, 1:41 am Azrael Post #32



Who disputed that StarCraft 2 was a success? Read the quote in its entirety.




Oct 18 2010, 2:05 am Jack Post #33

>be faceless void >mfw I have no face

Oh, I see. Blizzard can take a 100million dollar loss because they're raking in that much each MONTH from WoW alone.



Red classic.

"In short, their absurdities are so extreme that it is painful even to quote them."

Oct 18 2010, 2:24 am Azrael Post #34



The fact you think that's how a business operates is sad and naive. I guess this is what you think happens at Blizzard:

"Oh hey guys, thanks for coming to this week's meeting. Just reminding everyone not to worry about profits, because we're already making enough. That's right, we don't need to worry about making more money. I mean, we already have a lot."

At least you don't ever have to worry about being in charge of a successful business. That must be a huge relief.




Oct 18 2010, 2:25 am Jack Post #35

>be faceless void >mfw I have no face

Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
The fact you think that's how a business operates is sad and naive. I guess in your mind this is what happens at Blizzard:

"Oh hey guys, thanks for coming to this week's meeting. Just reminding everyone not to worry about profits, because we're already making enough. That's right, we don't need to worry about making more money. I mean, we already have a lot."

At least you don't ever have to worry about being in charge of a successful business. That must be a huge relief.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be a bad thing for them if SC2 was a flop, I'm saying they could take the hit and carry on.



Red classic.

"In short, their absurdities are so extreme that it is painful even to quote them."

Oct 18 2010, 2:27 am Azrael Post #36



The fact is, they care about their bottom line. Suggesting a business wouldn't be bothered by a loss of net income because they "already make enough money" is, as stated earlier, blatantly ignorant at best.




Oct 18 2010, 2:33 am Jack Post #37

>be faceless void >mfw I have no face

Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
The fact is, they care about their bottom line. Suggesting a business wouldn't be bothered by a loss of net income because they "already make enough money" is, as stated earlier, blatantly ignorant at best.
I never said they wouldn't be BOTHERED by it. I said they could TAKE it.



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"In short, their absurdities are so extreme that it is painful even to quote them."

Oct 18 2010, 2:43 am Azrael Post #38



My comment, which you replied to directly, was responding to a claim that SC2 being a failure wouldn't hurt Blizzard. I didn't say it would bankrupt them, I said it would bother them. They are a business, their goal is to consistently make more money. Again, to think that Blizzard and their shareholders would be satisfied with just making X amount of money, where X is where they stop caring about additional net income, is blatantly ignorant at best.

This is my point, yet you quoted my original response and were clearly attempting to disagree with me.




Oct 18 2010, 3:02 am Roy Post #39

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I don't think either of you is getting it, so allow me to put it in analogy form:

Say Blizzard is the head of police departments in a tri-city area, and StarCraft II is one of their police officers. Now, StarCraft II has a drinking problem, gambles on every Tuesday night, and has some domestic issues, but other than that, he's a great cop. Sure, StarCraft II may go home and hit his wife, and the neighbors don't like him very much, but they aren't going to do anything because he's in a position of power. Now, Blizzard would say "Well, we can't fire the guy; he's the Sheriff's (StarCraft's) son!" Blizzard will just allow StarCraft II to be StarCraft II because he's good at his job.

I'm not really sure if that was relevant to your conversation, but it sounded good in my head.

Back to the topic, I don't believe the map should have been banned. I have a hard time imagining that people were engaged in intense play and then one of them saw the word "dyke" and did any one of the following because of it:
- cried
- got angry
- stopped playing
- bothered to repeat the word
- had a midlife crisis
- rage quitted
- looked around nervously
- laughed
- noticed it was potentially offensive
- smiled and then regretted smiling
- swore revenge on the creator of the map
- removed a key from their keyboard that spelled the word so they couldn't type it themselves
- thought of a female
- saw potential to ban the game
- wondered what the word meant (if they didn't know)
- could no longer focus on the game
- wished they had played the campaign instead
- thought of Sexy Pics from StarCraft I
- called a lawyer
- decided to stop playing and read a book instead
- lost respect for Blizzard
- became scarred for life
- take the word into any form of consideration

Although, to be fair, "dyke" isn't recognized in my spell checker, so it must be evil on some level.




Oct 18 2010, 4:51 pm TiKels Post #40



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I wanted to point out though that the reports we received for the words included in the map’s dictionary were fairly vast, and clearly offensive in most cases. The one quoted in the reason for the ban was the least offensive. In any case, please wait for the customer service contact and they’ll work with you on republishing and any changes we’d require.
People need to learn reading comprehension. (Haha just kidding guys!)

But seriously, stop talking about the word "dyke," for all intensive purposes blizzard dismissed it as not being the sole cause, and therefore should not be shown the attention that it is. Stop talking about it.

Just because you've never heard of a slang, doesn't mean other people have. I knew of this slang term.


You two need to stop bickering, you both have already agreed on your original points and are now fighting a war of semantics. It's totally pointless.



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