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[2017-5-14. : 9:13 pm]  Lanthanide -- SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: It could be dated yea, but he's simply applying what he's learned from the past. an idea at the wrong time is worse than useless[2017-5-14. : 9:13 pm] Zoan -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html need more of this around here, TBH http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tldr1.gif[2017-5-14. : 9:13 pm] Swampfox -- I 100% agree TS isn't going to bring anybody to SEN at this point lol[2017-5-14. : 9:13 pm] Swampfox -- It could be dated yea, but he's simply applying what he's learned from the past.[2017-5-14. : 9:12 pm] Lanthanide -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: Ex's perspective is 8 years in the past. Nothing he's said is applicable anymore. yip, as long as I've been on SEN, I've never seen any general problem with TS players or anything, and I've been here since 2010[2017-5-14. : 9:12 pm]  Moose -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html need more of this around here, TBH chart form[2017-5-14. : 9:12 pm]  lil-Inferno -- SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: But that's exactly why Ex is trying to keep that community out. It's not about elitism as he said, it's just that they are a different community. No it is elitism.[2017-5-14. : 9:12 pm] Broflamingo -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: Ex's perspective is 8 years in the past. Nothing he's said is applicable anymore. Acutal Factuals.[2017-5-14. : 9:12 pm] lil-Inferno -- SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: lil-Inferno I would disagree by saying that's not descriptive enough. Staredit is literally in the name of the site. It's an SC1 community focused on mapmaking. Yes but we have melee and w/e forums for a reason; because it's not all mapmaking. Mapmakers just happen to be more die-hard fans so they sticc around[2017-5-14. : 9:11 pm] Broflamingo -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Dem0n If he's paying for it, yes, that's exactly what he would do. LMAO Wrong. I am one of the best players, not trying to rig it. I also have a youtube channel. I would lose all credibility. All i want is a working balanced map for the players. This isn't "rig to win" i win enough.[2017-5-14. : 9:11 pm] Moose -- http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html need more of this around here, TBH[2017-5-14. : 9:11 pm] Dem0n -- We're not going to be invaded by dozens of TS players who ruin the community. Nobody is going to come here because of TS.[2017-5-14. : 9:11 pm] Dem0n -- Ex's perspective is 8 years in the past. Nothing he's said is applicable anymore.[2017-5-14. : 9:11 pm] Voyager7456 -- Also I've never played TS so I have no idea what it's like *shrug*[2017-5-14. : 9:10 pm] Swampfox -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: You're pointing out random things that don't matter and trying to make assumptions of the site after you've shown up here like 3 times over the past 3 months lmao Ok. Go ahead and think that. I'm not trying to change how SEN works, I'm just trying to look at things from Ex's perspective.[2017-5-14. : 9:10 pm] Zoan -- "We make maps until the people who play them start talking to us. We aren't thaaat social"[2017-5-14. : 9:10 pm] Voyager7456 -- When were all these TS people here anyway? I don't remember them at all[2017-5-14. : 9:09 pm] Swampfox -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: But honestly, if you stayed out of the TS threads, was there even that much spillage and disruption to the rest of everything going on? I don't know, I'm just going by what I've gathered over the past several years. I was never here when SC was in it's prime.[2017-5-14. : 9:09 pm] Zoan -- I don't think we should literally not make an update to a map just because we don't wanna deal with the people who play it tho[2017-5-14. : 9:09 pm] Dem0n -- You're pointing out random things that don't matter and trying to make assumptions of the site after you've shown up here like 3 times over the past 3 months lmao[2017-5-14. : 9:09 pm] Moose -- SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: Bro I'm trying to have discussion, shut the fuck up mad, but not wrong[2017-5-14. : 9:08 pm] Moose -- But honestly, if you stayed out of the TS threads, was there even that much spillage and disruption to the rest of everything going on?[2017-5-14. : 9:08 pm] Swampfox -- Come and join us!but if the anger and hate that competition breeds brings them here, it doesn't belong.[2017-5-14. : 9:07 pm] Dem0n -- SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: But that's exactly why Ex is trying to keep that community out. It's not about elitism as he said, it's just that they are a different community. Dead serious, nobody cares about Ex's opinion LMAO[2017-5-14. : 9:07 pm] Swampfox -- Ya know, if you play TS and you're just god damn intrigued with how it works and you'd love to someday make maps like that.[2017-5-14. : 9:06 pm] Zoan -- We could like, if we care enough, make a separate TS community and have a link on this site sending people to there[2017-5-14. : 9:06 pm] Zoan -- Well, it's like a bunch of StarCraft people going to Blizzard.com and setting up a community there xD[2017-5-14. : 9:05 pm] Swampfox -- But that's exactly why Ex is trying to keep that community out. It's not about elitism as he said, it's just that they are a different community.[2017-5-14. : 9:04 pm] Voyager7456 -- SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: Even then though. I feel like that could create splits in the TS community, who then work up a storm here on SEN. then they'll get the bop, problem solved[2017-5-14. : 9:03 pm] Lanthanide -- er, I don't think I've seen anyone from the TS community in the shoutbox on SEN in the last 5 years[2017-5-14. : 9:02 pm] Swampfox -- Even then though. I feel like that could create splits in the TS community, who then work up a storm here on SEN.[2017-5-14. : 9:01 pm] Voyager7456 -- ZoanZoan shouted: It's not like this is a 'forced update to TS,' people very well will just play older versions if they don't like the updates the guy pays money for. This is key I think[2017-5-14. : 9:01 pm] Swampfox -- ZoanZoan shouted: It's not like this is a 'forced update to TS,' people very well will just play older versions if they don't like the updates the guy pays money for. That's a good point actually; I didn't really think of that.[2017-5-14. : 9:00 pm] Zoan -- It's not like this is a 'forced update to TS,' people very well will just play older versions if they don't like the updates the guy pays money for.[2017-5-14. : 8:59 pm] Swampfox -- ZoanZoan shouted: and wtf, if we got a thing going where rich people come to SEN every now and then anf give money to us for making friggin StarCraft maps, that would be amazing. I think those good at making maps would monetarily benefit greatly, but the community aspect of SEN would suffer.[2017-5-14. : 8:59 pm] Moose -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: Swampfox so what? Do you think he's going to force whoever edits the map to make changes only he likes? Moose would be the only one to edit it, and he's not going to do anything that's imbalanced LMAO If he's paying for it, yes, that's exactly what he would do. LMAO[2017-5-14. : 8:58 pm] Dem0n -- SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: Dem0n He's an avid player of the map who is paying for changes to said map. I know that Temple Siege can be competitive. It definitely applies here. so what? Do you think he's going to force whoever edits the map to make changes only he likes? Moose would be the only one to edit it, and he's not going to do anything that's imbalanced LMAO[2017-5-14. : 8:58 pm] Zoan -- and wtf, if we got a thing going where rich people come to SEN every now and then anf give money to us for making friggin StarCraft maps, that would be amazing.[2017-5-14. : 8:55 pm] Swampfox -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: what conflict of interest? this isn't politics LMAO He's an avid player of the map who is paying for changes to said map. I know that Temple Siege can be competitive. It definitely applies here.[2017-5-14. : 8:54 pm] Swampfox -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: I'm confused, are you saying SEN wouldn't benefit from the occasional mapping commission? And no, I don't think it would.[2017-5-14. : 8:54 pm] Swampfox -- I think the problem with mapping commission in cases like this would be a conflict of interest.[2017-5-14. : 8:53 pm] jjf28 -- I'm confused, are you saying SEN wouldn't benefit from the occasional mapping commission?[2017-5-14. : 8:53 pm] Moose -- Also, SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: and this is A MAPMAKING community but SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: case in point - Broflamingo, an avid player of Temple Siege brought to SEN specifically by the map, in his first post on the forums offers money for changes to be made to Temple Siege. Is that something that SEN needs? literally supporting map development[2017-5-14. : 8:51 pm] Swampfox -- That experience being me logging in 20 minutes ago and seeing Broflamingos post lol[2017-5-14. : 8:50 pm] Swampfox -- I was just trying to show parallel between Ex's post on players brought here by TS, and my experience with a player brought here by TS.[2017-5-14. : 8:48 pm] jjf28 -- technically my first post was about EUDs and not helms specifically and my second post was hosting/advertising the map, but w/e[2017-5-14. : 8:46 pm] Moose -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Swampfox jjf28, an avid player of Helms Deep brought to SEN specifically for the map, just sayin' https://youtu.be/FAMlAhpv7Ss?t=4s jjrekt28[2017-5-14. : 8:46 pm] Swampfox -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Swampfox no this is an SC1 community I would disagree by saying that's not descriptive enough. Staredit is literally in the name of the site. It's an SC1 community focused on mapmaking.[2017-5-14. : 8:45 pm] jjf28 -- SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: case in point - Broflamingo, an avid player of Temple Siege brought to SEN specifically by the map, in his first post on the forums offers money for changes to be made to Temple Siege. Is that something that SEN needs? jjf28, an avid player of Helms Deep brought to SEN specifically for the map, just sayin' https://youtu.be/FAMlAhpv7Ss?t=4s[2017-5-14. : 8:45 pm] Moose -- SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: So when Temple Siege brings people here, it brings the highly competitive players of the game, not mapmakers SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: and this is A MAPMAKING community Maps are made to be played. There's some research and demonstrations sure, but usually.[2017-5-14. : 8:45 pm] Swampfox -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Swampfox To be fair, he's lurked in the shoutbox for quite awhile. Does it matter that it's his first post or not when there is so few posts compared to shouts these days? Also, he has posts on another account. C|X^D Ah okay, I don't really know the details[2017-5-14. : 8:45 pm] lil-Inferno -- SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: and this is A MAPMAKING community no this is an SC1 community[2017-5-14. : 8:44 pm] Moose -- SwampfoxSwampfox shouted: case in point - Broflamingo, an avid player of Temple Siege brought to SEN specifically by the map, in his first post on the forums offers money for changes to be made to Temple Siege. Is that something that SEN needs? To be fair, he's lurked in the shoutbox for quite awhile. Does it matter that it's his first post or not when there is so few posts compared to shouts these days? Also, he has posts on another account. C|X^D[2017-5-14. : 8:40 pm] Swampfox -- case in point - Broflamingo, an avid player of Temple Siege brought to SEN specifically by the map, in his first post on the forums offers money for changes to be made to Temple Siege. Is that something that SEN needs?[2017-5-14. : 8:32 pm] Swampfox -- They are not invested in what the rest of the site may have to offer. They will only care about their precious Temple Siege |
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