Necro damage did not need -4. If anything, it needed like +2; It was already severely underpowered for a pure toss build.
Unfortunately, shortening night just made the two strongest heroes (psycho and rm) much stronger for PKing, although slightly less effective at base breaking (not by much).
Psycho still needs a dropship "building" timer.
Magic orb needs less armor (with possibly more hp)
I'm not entirely sure when this happened, but pest spawner now costs too much with gas & minerals. The gas cost seems a good balancer to me, but perhaps reduce the mineral cost by 10-15.
Firebat spawner should remain at 4, as firebats suck ass already. For the most part, they hurt your team more then they help (only helpful with many spawner to base break).

I approve of the cannon balance.
Approve of "necromind"

Other thoughts:
reduce cost of ultralisk speed upgrade by 5 minerals, and +5-10 gas. (mainly the minerals part)

Being that the Necro is a summoner of sorts, it makes sense that his summons should do the majority of his dmg for him, not the Necro himself. The Psycho and RM aren't even close to the strongest heroes, IE both the Serpent and CoM can both rape them easily. Also, so can the Illusionist. Night being shorter really helps nerf things like CoM, Ninja, and CM that thrived on that long night. The cost increase for Pests is a good idea, as it is still way too easy to spawn cheese. Cannon balance is good, Necromind spell is good. And I agree that ultra speed is a little pricey.

EDIT: Also, how does making night shorter make PK heroes stronger? It is much easier to sneak up on someone at night.

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Also, I know this is WAY late, but late game Serpent can slaughter the Sammy EZ... and before you even object, know that I've done it before, again EZ.

Toss build necro is still perfectly viable because ups are still +4 and gravedancers still own.

Spawners seem to be better balanced that ever now, but of course I'm still trying to perfect this. (It's hard), and pest spawner increased in cost by like... only $2 > >.

So... I've notice how HARD it is to get a full game of HS going. So... perhaps everyone that is interested in playing against opponents who are actually decent and not two noobs that happen to drop in... well we can all just post what days/times we are online for HSing? Me... (Times are in EST) well Mon from 1:30 PM to whenever, Tue from about 3:30 PM to whenever, Wed not until about 10 PM if at all - work/school ALL DAY 12+ hours - Thur is the same as Tue, and Fri is the same as Mon.

So yeah... just post your times if you are looking to HS it up

Oh, and Norm, how long are you going to leave ur sig for the HS progress at 99%? LOL

Forever, it's still not to my liking to be honest, and a 1.08 will come out eventually to try to fix that.

I see... well then... can't wait for that.

So, we should definitely start organizing that tourny we were talking about.

Okay, good idea. Everyone who plays HS, add me online USEAST my account name is Norm-

First step to getting a tournament is to find the players.

Meanwhile, everyone try to find a good 2 or 3 person team and practice a bunch.

If a tournament is hosted, it can be hosted by myself, and I'd probably do it in approx 1 month from now, so early to mid July to give everyone a chance to hear about it and participate / practice a bunch.

The version by then will be 1.08 - which will be very similar to 1.07 except like 2 things I forgot to change (ooops) and any bugs that are found between now and whenever I open up SCMdraft.

Peace.

I'm game.

Norm you mentioned that you, IDK what the other guy's name was, and I should be on a team. I'm game for that, except that if we don't manage to get a good pool of skilled players, I don't want out team to be like stacked or anything. For now thought count on it being you, a person, and I as a team. I was thinking maybe The_Joe?

I'm probably the best crimson wolf known to man

Yeah darkone, you're on my team for sure, and we'll get a 3rd once we see what kind of player pool is going to turn out. Next time we play together, discussion of the team we will use shall commence.

p.s. anyone who wants to play some HS tonight, i'll be hosting in a couple hours.

We shall get some major HSing in this weekend I hope.

I'll probably be able to host a bit tonight. Saturday night i'll be out though, so someone else will have to host . Also, I'm going to put up that tourney post like we're talking about. Still not decided about the exact day, though.

Yo, guys. I just put up a topic about a tournament for HS, but we'll have to wait for it to be approved.

EDIT: http://www.staredit.net/topic/11436/

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Norm, its come to my attention that the winners of the tourny are most likely going to be the ones that spawn rush. I'm thinking that if that happens, then it might lead to spawn rushing needing to be take out.

Spawn isn't broken in HS, especially not 1.08. (And, yes, I have a few new ideas up my sleeves.)

Thats good to hear... I look forward to testing it

And ftw I never said it was broken.