Mapping editors are against the ToS. The crack is against the ToS. Both help mapping and hurt no one. I don't see why it needs to get more complicated by that.

Merrel PM'd Gigins, Gigins insulted Merrel. I see a simple cause-and-effect - had he had no signature, he wouldn't be banned; thus, his signature had something to do with his banning. Wait, he was banned now? Not suspended?

If I reiterate points it's either because I feel they have not been sufficiently covered or because I want to add to them. In this case, it was both; I feel that Merrel's "Who gives a fuck about what he's done for SEN" attitude isn't enough of a response, and I spread the blame from Merrel to the entire administration while elaborating further on how being behind NOW is bad for the future.

"Provoking of a moderator or staff member is considered "asking for it". It will be punished severely."
"It cannot be stressed how unwise it is to flame and disrespect the staff and moderators. It is arguably the fastest and most effective way to earn a one-way ticket out of SEN, even if you are correct."
http://www.staredit.net/?faq=2

Really, I thought it was clear from what I was saying that I'm not arguing that there are no rules against what what Gigins did, but that the rules either are or were implemented in a stupid fashion.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Apr 20 2010, 1:32 am by Centreri.

I found Nibbits before I found SEN because of its large amount of map submissions and map consumers. Recently I think it's heading in the right direction with all these new features such as the replays, liveshows, and info. I also find it a better place to submit maps than SEN. Some maps on nibbits have been downloaded hundreds of thousands of times (with plenty being downloaded by the thousands), SEN's most popular are only in the low hundreds in downloads,

Merrell posted his PM in the Staff forum. I'd say Gigins overreacted. I think his suspension was valid given the trouble he was brewing in http://www.staredit.net/topic/10523/

I agree with the preceding arguments that relate to SEN being indecisive. However, since our stance was presented in a topic in the staff lounge, I had to take action against people advertising the cracked beta. Don't blame me personally (I have the cracked beta).

Behind? We're fucking eating dust

Drop the mature talk, everyone
we JUST got a better DLDB.. that FINALLY encompasses Starcraft II maps (even tho it is Not working)
we All know SEN is crazy conservative. The regulations are ... strict at best, totalitarianistic at worst.
There is rarely any progression due to our inability, neglegence, and general failure to create new and creative things - look no further than The Sen Observer.

In all honestly, I've already given up hope after the way The Sen Observer was handled.

Now, to be on topic: Ex doesn't like Nibbits because of what az and partly I did to him there. But that is really what you and merrell do to us. As moose has quoted about the reciprical thingymagic, where one would act in same respect to how another acts towards him/her... I've already forgotten what you've done to me that made me so angry to take action against you on another site... annnnd I really don't care right now. You still suck, but your presence in melee threads is greatly appreciated.

The whole nibbits shibang was looked upon by us bleakly due to its clonky rating system and DLDB.
But it strived because the creator of the site looked forward and worked hard and tried new things... and HOly shit it got way better. They got f'ing live streams! We have nothing except some threads about speculations.

In comparison, what does the staff here do for us? Host map nights? Host Tournaments? Find news about SCII? Make new and exciting maps? Make parodies of SEN? Welcome newcomers? ... in short (i.e. not every staff) NO!!
What they do is sit here and talk smack about an obvious step in the right direction, ban and suspend people for mediocre reasons, and rule the forum with their iron-fists (exageration ).

We are a fucking GAMING FORUM guys.. We come here to TALK ABOUT GAMES and HAVE FUN while doing it. Games without conflicts are NOT GAMES. We don't need every single staff to "express disapproval" or "putting up with an attitude" everytime someone does as much as look at you funny.
I seriously doubt the entire site will take a heavy fall if someone says "FUCK YOU" (are you reli that pure to not say that on a forum? Cut me a break!)

as ironic as this may sound.. stop taking it so seriously guys.

It's not that he swore. It's that he said it to Merrell after Merrell made a simple request to remove his signature in compliance with SEN's no cracks rule.

It's plain and simple guys. It's the same thing as if you told the president to go fuck himself... he'd ban you from this country. Oh no wait, he wouldn't, that's not his job. His job is to keep order and not to misuse his power to ban someone who "pissed him off". Bad example.

Yeah, it's too bad the government doesn't have a laws like ours:
"Provoking of the President is considered "asking for it". It will be punished severely."
"It cannot be stressed how unwise it is to flame and disrespect the President. It is arguably the fastest and most effective way to earn a one-way ticket out of the country, even if you are correct."

Yeah, something like that.

Actually, that's a terrible example. If a user pisses off/disrespects an admin here to that extend, they wouldn't be here for long. This isn't a democracy.

And that brings us back to the matter at hand, SEN sucks.

A. We are not responsible for what our affiliates post or support. Then again, as I am phasing out I gave no input on whether or not SEN would support it.
B. That is not why Gigins was suspended. Centreri is right that pride should not take precedence, but likewise Gigins should not have said what he did. No staffer should have to deal with what Gigins said to Merrell.

President of what country?
I'm sure there's a lot of world leaders that would love to hear that on their own turf. I mean, assuming that you could even get near them and say it to their face to begin with.

Regarding SEN sucking, here's a handy link: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=starcraft
There's a list of alternatives, see ya around.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Apr 20 2010, 2:29 am by Mini Moose 2707.

You guys really need to take a chill pill...

Seriously, this could easily be solved by asking Nibbits to remove their SC2 crack from their database. You don't flip out when someone makes a mistake, you ask them nicely to correct it.

Also, I'd like to point out that there's a big difference between programs like Starforge or SCMDraft2 which are third party freeware programs designed to make the game better, and a SC2 crack, which is simply a form of piracy. I have no problem with SEN supporting SCMDraft and Starforge despite the fact that they're against the blizzard ToS. A ToS is not law, nor is it a moral judgement. A SC2 crack however, is explicitly intended to enable users to pirate the game, which is theft, both against the law and immoral.

The beta is technically freeware. Is it even illegal to crack freeware, as long as it's not for the purpose of selling it?

You aren't supposed to be able to play offline in the beta. You cannot play online with the crack.

This is relevant how?

The beta was only supposed to be played by people with battle.net accounts on battle.net.

And SC maps were only supposed to be made using Staredit.

What does that have to do with cracks?

EDIT:
SEN has a no crack policy, therefore we don't support the SC2 crack. It has nothing to do at this point with the fact that it is SC2.