wasnt even aware that was a glitch seeing as you can buy a courier and tp out

Ultimo and I were trying to get a >1600 game going, but nobody would join even after 10 minutes so we quit.

Just an fyi, Faz, I haven't played an EM game for over a month, and when I play with SEN, we don't play EM either.

It's a glitch because you aren't meant to be able to tp out of there, and basically makes one team waste money on a tp, which tips the balance a little bit. S2 said it's going to be fixed, and overall, it's just dick move. If you were playing with us when u did that, i'm pretty sure we would kick you.

I would kick Raccoon at any chance to be honest, he might be worse than SafeReality. SafeReality actually kinda scares me, it's like we're playing a 4v6 with him around.

Although that's pretty much what i was like when i first started playing with u guys.

And btw, I actually got 4 kills in a game as tree with support items? I had no idea how the crap that works. Hydro and neki also kicked ass.
This was also to prove a point to faz. You see how many melee heroes we had? This was also a completely random pub game, 50% to 50% win percentages, ect.

FaZ: YOU GUYS TOOK SO MANY CC THEY HAVE NO CC LOL AP NOOBS

Deji was pissed off that I didn't pick a ranged carry. Or something carry.

I was mad because you didn't pick any sort of carry, you picked Electrician. HE'S NO CARRY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE IS ACTUALLY. I didn't trust the pubs to carry or solo mid, and I don't even know why you showed that game Shredder, wasn't very notable at all.

It's all right because in Soviet Russia, BATTLE ELECTRICIAN AUTO-ATTACKS YOU!

Ah, yea, if I had picked Devourer, I might have been able to perform well in middle lane alone. Plague Rider would have been very good to -- I probably would have made it with 0 deaths if I had picked Plague Rider.

3 melee isn't bad anyway if one of them can solo mid (Maliken). You also got outfarmed like hell, they had more gold/min than your team even with your huge kill advantage. A good team is going to press their advantage (and won't have 4 carries, like the team you beat here does). Their team has awful composition.

Elec is a tank/initiator/support/ganker. He debuffs/slows/disables, and has a massive life/mana pool with low cd low cost spells.

You sure you don't see 5 carries there FaZ? You seem to think everyone is a carry.

Corrupted Disciple is a carry. Hammerstorm is a carry. Predator isn't really a carry, but he's more that than anything else. Luna is definitely a carry.

Read better.

Faz, you don't seem to understand that although carry is defined by the hero, a single hero can also take on a lot of different roles, and that the role "carry" is very, very broad. There are roamers, junglers, supporters, initiators, stunners, disablers, ect. This is the point i'm trying to make: not all of the game is defined by carries. I've seen a non-em game go to a team of all carries against a non-noob team. It's all about gameplay. Play with us, and you'll realize this a lot more.

And Ultimo, it was notable for me because i actually got kills as tree, which never happens when i play him as a support, especially considering the fact that maliken and i got completely outlaned early, and maliken was pretty bad.

We weren't out-farmed because we killed them so much that they would have lost all gold they would have gained through farming. Us 3 melee were in the top and bottom lanes (I was at top). Succubus farmed in the middle lane alone. Deji was with me.

BTW: We were 3 melee against 3 ranged. Do you really think that we could out-farm them? We won because we had disablers, not carries. And maybe the other team was bad, because they had a ton of disables too.

I mean, none of what you said makes sense.

Gold/minute takes gold lost into account, they still outfarmed you.

No, I didn't think you would outfarm them, that's why I give you shit for ever picking 3 melee heroes unless one of them can solo. You won because they had 4 carries and you had a somewhat balanced team as far as roles go, and they were probably terrible- considering they picked 4 carries.

Okay... so what are Hammerstorm, Moon Queen, Predator, and Corrupted Disciple going to do besides carry? None of them can initiate well, none of them can support well, none of them can push well, none of them can disable well. The only chance that team has is letting the game go 45+ minutes when their item-dependent carries start to come into play. Too bad none of them can stop pushes well, either. If you're going to make a post trying to lecture me, please have a clue what I'm even talking about.

Why is it that we don't lose when we have 4 carries? We are terrible.

Hammerstorm pushes like a boss. I have no idea why you brought that up. Hammerstorm can stun well with his AoE stun. Predator can initiate well with his leap. Moon Queen's ultimate and nuke all stun, even though its only for fractions of a second. Corrupted Disciple can use his second ability to render an enemy without DPS.

Wow, just... wow...
ALthough i will admit we had some of the best initaitors, keeper and elec, they easily could stop electrician's hold with hammer, and easily out dps us with disciple's attack steal + pred's terrify.

Ultimo: shut the fuck up and quit complaining about my skills until we actually play together. ive posted many screen shots where i do good.


i think predator is more of a dps than a carry, and hammerstorm is only a semi carry, he cant carry amazingly well a late game, its just that he is good late game.

Lol. Use Hammerstorm's stun (your only decent one) to push down creep and get fucked by the opponents. Good plan there. Or hell, he can just cleave down the creeps, it's not like the other team isn't going to tear him apart with nukes. Predator can leap in by himself and get owned by 5 people because he has nothing to do after he leaps that disables ANYONE. Moon Queen's ultimate doesn't stun. CD can drop the DPS of one person by 120 or so, woohoo. Half of the real carries can just walk or blink out of it, the range is terrible. He probably wouldn't even have that skill leveled when a balanced team is pushing, anyway.

Predator can DPS reasonably well if he farms. Without items though, he can only kill tanks because his Str gain is terrible. CD is pretty useless overall, I haven't seen one good at anything besides ganking yet.

Lol? Electrician is an initiator? I'll stop trying.

Probably has something to do with you playing AP, I just carried my last AP game, 15 kills as Hellbringer, and a few games before that laned versus 2 melee as DShaman... they didn't get a creep kill until 10 minutes in, not for lack of trying: 13 kills.

It's pretty obvious we're on different pages. I want to play competitively in the near future, most of you guys just want to do well in pubs... have fun with that.

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It's also pretty obvious that you are being extremely condescending.


1. So the other team lets you carry as Hellbringer, yet you accuse us of playing against noobs? Yeah, right.
2. Wow, you were Dshaman against 2 melees!
a) The other team was noob (2 melee lane usually fails against ranged lane, especially against DS)
b) Dshaman rapes melee heroes in laning and you know it. Nothing to brag about there.