If anyone has played type-moon arena, there are spells that are HELLA fast, like in 2 seconds its like 5 wraith attacks. How is it possible to make units react this fast?

I was actually about to ask this. You would have to keep removing and creating new units. I'm not sure how to make units auto-accquire new targets fast enough, though.

With wraiths especially, they acquire targets really fast, so they do it automatically when you create and remove them quickly... but for some units it doesnt work that well...

Also use patrol to loc after moving them to the correct loc. This makes them attack faster i believe.

Wraiths and scouts can attack within a trigger cycle when told to, so you remove them the next trigger

Someone should really make a concept map for this that we can refer people to with this commonly asked question. Something that shows a before-and-after.

Actually, with most units it's hard to get this to be done UNLESS you center a location on whatever it is they will be attacking, then tell them to attack to that location. This basically makes them spin to that location before they actually acquire the target, so it will be a faster process once they actually get the target. It took me a while to figure that out after playing WAF

Type-Moon Arena uses a Wait 70-hyper trigger, I have no idea what exactly does that, but it does have some effect.

It has no effect whatsoever. (Other than the standard hyper trigger with Wait(0) effects).

You can only make the trigger cycle slower in increments of 84 milliseconds.
0 < 70 < 84, so Wait(70) is exactly the same as Wait(0).

I thought this was done by having 2-3 wraiths on side of map, move 1 wraith, patrol to loc, move it back, then send another wraith, and you cycle between the 2 wraiths super fast. I thought this worked because the wraiths after being moved back to corner were still facing the attacking direction, so after 1 cycle through the wraiths are all facing an enemy to attack.

well that doesn't really work if the unit you're attacking is moving though does it

This is not entirely true.
Falkoner proved that StarCraft handles increments down to 42ms.
However there's no wait smaller 84ms possible, which makes your 2nd line true.
Every wait between 0 and 104ms (84ms + 42ms/2 - 1) is the same as wait(0).

wait 0-41 will yield 2 frame triggers
wait 42-83 will yield 3 frame triggers

At least that's what I thought.

42 ms = frame.

As a sidenote, does this change if you play in different speeds?

Well, it's kinda weird, but when you change your waits inside of Hyper Triggers, 42 and 43 give different speeds, but otherwise 0-84 are the same

I've got to be wrong. More testing needs to be done, you can't have 3 frame hypers, otherwise you'll have an off-frame trigger run.

Creating + Patrolling works. Except different unit attack differently... and they all take time to "turn around"

What Koreans do is that if you're on the North base, they patrol the units towards the south.. and Vice versa for the South base.

Also, in Theory, units created face towards the bottom left. So what you can do is that you create the units beforehand, and order them to move north, so that people on the South team, when the units are moved, will be facing north, and should attack a fraction of a second earlier. But there's always problem associated with that and it's too complicated..
Rather it'd be better to adjust the time of your spell so that the spell works wherever the enemies are and whatever direction it's facing.

Ok, well, I made a quick test map, and found out a few things.

1) It most likely needs to be told to attack in the general direction of enemies. If you play my map, The Scouts created are ordered to attack to "anywhere". If you are above and left of the vulture enemy, your attack will hit 100% of the time. However, if you are below and to the right of the enemy, your attack will hit from 20% to 0% of the time. (Dealing with a series of 5 scouts)

2) Patrol didn't work for me, the order must be attack.

3) The waits I used were just picked randomly, I didn't feel like calculating out by 42s. They were 200.

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so... i tested this and got these results for these locations...
a b c
d v e
f g h

as to the vult(v)
a- 100%
b-around 90%
c- 30%
d-100%
e-0%
f- surprisingly about 80%
g- 0%
h-0%

so its really only a problem in that lower right hand corner. you're also dealing with scouts, which arent usually the fastest attackers in my experience. it might be better to try it with bcs or wraiths, or maybe even try mutas... i'd be interested to see that.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Jul 22 2009, 12:16 am by ShredderIV. Reason: ugg

Trigger(" \x002 T\x006ea\x002m \x006White"," \x002 T\x006ea\x002m \x005Black"){
Conditions:
Command("Current Player", "Terran Medic", At least, 1);
Command("Current Player", "Protoss Scout", At least, 1);
Bring("Current Player", "Vulture Spider Mine", "026", At most, 0);
Command("Current Player", "Gantrithor (Carrier)", At most, 0);
Bring("Current Player", "Vulture Spider Mine", "162", At most, 0);
Deaths("Current Player", "Right Upper Level Door", At most, 0);

Actions:
Kill Unit At Location("Current Player", "Protoss Scout", 1, "Anywhere");
Display Text Message(Always Display, " \x0041\x003) \x004°íĽÓ˝Ĺľđ\r\n \x003Äł˝şĹÍŔÇ Energy¸¦ ȸşąÇĎ´Â ±â´Éµµ ŔÖ˝Ŕ´Ď´Ů.");
Wait(100);
Create Unit("Current Player", "Vulture Spider Mine", 1, "162");
Modify Unit Energy("Current Player", "Terran Medic", 100, 0, "Anywhere");
Create Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", 1, "215");
Create Unit("Current Player", "Terran Ghost", 1, "215");
Kill Unit("Current Player", "Terran Ghost");
Set Invincibility("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", enabled);
Order("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", "Anywhere", attack);
Wait(100);
Remove Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)");
Create Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", 1, "215");
Create Unit("Current Player", "Terran Ghost", 2, "215");
Kill Unit("Current Player", "Terran Ghost");
Set Invincibility("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", enabled);
Order("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", "Anywhere", attack);
Wait(100);
Remove Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)");
Create Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", 1, "215");
Create Unit("Current Player", "Terran Ghost", 3, "215");
Kill Unit("Current Player", "Terran Ghost");
Set Invincibility("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", enabled);
Order("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", "Anywhere", attack);
Wait(100);
Remove Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)");
Create Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", 1, "215");
Create Unit("Current Player", "Terran Ghost", 4, "215");
Kill Unit("Current Player", "Terran Ghost");
Set Invincibility("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", enabled);
Order("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", "Anywhere", attack);
Wait(100);
Remove Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)");
Create Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", 1, "215");
Set Invincibility("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", enabled);
Order("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", "Anywhere", attack);
Wait(100);
Remove Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)");
Create Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", 1, "215");
Set Invincibility("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", enabled);
Order("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", "Anywhere", attack);
Wait(100);
Remove Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)");
Create Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", 1, "215");
Set Invincibility("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", enabled);
Order("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", "Anywhere", attack);
Wait(100);
Remove Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)");
Create Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", 1, "215");
Set Invincibility("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", enabled);
Order("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)", "Anywhere", "Anywhere", attack);
Wait(100);
Remove Unit("Current Player", "Mojo (Scout)");
Kill Unit At Location("Current Player", "Vulture Spider Mine", All, "162");
Preserve Trigger();
Create Unit("Current Player", "Vulture Spider Mine", 1, "026");
}

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I really do think that your information is horribly skewed. From what I've seen, it has to deal with if the vulture is in the direction of the first location.
As for scouts, it was a unit that was slower, therefore it would be an over-compensating estimate, and people can lower their wait times for other units, if they so choose. It was an example for replication.