Okay guys, I need some help. I'm trying to make a map (for my, and my friends' personal use) that will feature a location (Temple) being protected by one AI (which has a base around that location) and one player against 2 other players. It all seems to work fine so far (haven't given it a lot of test tho, wanna make it a surprise), but I can't figure out how to make a certain trigger. I use the "bring" trigger right now, which works as follows:
1) Players: from "Force 1" and "Force 2" (I have each player in a separate Force for aesthetic reasons )
2) Conditions: Allies bring at least 18 men to "Temple Location"
Allies bring at least 6 Protoss High Templar to 'Temple location" (1 player is Protoss ofc)
3) Actions: Generally result in victory for current player, some other stuff too, that doesn't matter tho.

The trigger I want to make works very similarly, but with one "small" difference, which I can't get past. I want to make it that, when you bring the required units to that specific location a countdown timer starts (60 seconds for example) and once it gets to zero the players that brought the units (the Temple-attacking players) win, but (I DID search for it before posting here ):
1) If the units die, the timer stops for 30 secs and if the required amount of units doesn't appear there again it is disabled altogether (you start from scratch next time).
2) If the units die and are back there in the next 30 secs (the timer is paused) the countdown to victory is resumed.
You understand what I mean (deeply hope so, because this explanation was pretty extensive for such a simple thing )? Kind of "hold ground" script. If there's any way to do this without too much complex messing, then please give me a step-by-step guide, so I can keep up, with you Pros , or a link to a site where it is explained in detail.

P.S. Just for the record I use SCXE.

Trigger #1

Players: XX

Conditions: Bring at least 6 High Templar (or whatever units) to Temple Location.
Switch 1 is Cleared (or death count).

Actions: Set Countdown Timer to 60 seconds.
Set Switch 1 (or use death counts).
Preserve Trigger.

#2

Players: XX

Conditions: Switch 1 is Set (or death count)
Switch 2 is Cleared (or death count)
Players Bring Exactly Zero High Templar (or whatever units) to Temple Location.

Actions: Pause Countdown Timer.
Set Switch 2 (or use death counts)
Preserve Trigger.

#3

Players: XX

Conditions: Switch 2 is set.
Bring at least 6 High Templar to Temple Location.

Actions: Resume Countdown Timer.
Clear Switch 2.
Preserve Trigger.

Will add other triggers later.

This is how I would do it, where X = the player, Z₁ = a unit player 1 won't ever use, Z₂ = a second unit player 1 won't ever use, and timer is a switch. This setup assumes that some initialization trigger set the deaths for Z₁ to 0 and Z₂ to 30( or 720 if using hyper triggers). For the other player just copy/paste these and change the value of X and the location.
Related Knowledge: Death Counters Hyper Triggers


If the switch is set then it means that previously there were 6 templar at the temple, but this trigger also detects that there now isn't the required amount. So it adds 1 to the deaths of Z₁, which for future reference will hold the value of the 30 second countdown.
EDIT: Just realized you also check to make sure that 6 templars AND 18 units are at the temple location, <s>so you'd have to split this trigger for each one and make sure they both don't run in the same cycle</s> 3 triggers instead of one.


The conditions check if 30 seconds have passed. Note, you need to change the 30 to 15 if your not using hypertriggers or 360 if you are, the 60 will also be either 30 or 720 respectively. If the 30 seconds have passed then it will set the death counters back to their defaults.


If they bring the required number of templar to your location then set a switch to remember that the timer has been started. Additionally, while the required number of templar continue to live this will decrease the value of Z₂, which is the death counter holding the 60 second countdown value.


Self explanatory, 0 deaths of Z₂ means that 60 seconds passed with 6 templar at the temple location.

With this setup you could also do a trigger checking for each value of Z₂ and displaying a countdown timer at that time to inform players of the current position. IE:


This assumes your using hyper triggers, if your not then the value of the deaths will be different for the example.

EDIT: Welcome to SEN btw.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Dec 11 2008, 1:30 am by Elvang.

Sorry if this is spam but I'd seriously recommened switching to SCMDraft 2. SCXE is complete fail its like 2 notch's above Staredit.

Using SCXE is not fail. It's certainly not as powerful as scmdraft either, though. Although I do recommend you to switch to scmdraft, if you feel more comfortable working with scxe, that's fine. Scmdraft isn't that much more different than scxe, and it can do more stuff.

Dont forget to mention the fact that SCXTra CAN load and save triggers ;o

And ScmDraft can not?

Text Editor.

Ive never managed to make it work, never saves

Not to mention, I would HIGHLY doubt a new mapper would even understand a text based trigger editor unless they're familer with other scripting languages.

Text triggers are for creating masses of similar triggers from a model, template or trigger making program, not for creating them from scratch. They're also useful to replace instances of one unit with another (or something similar) and for finding bugs.
No one would start typing text triggers manually. We use classic trigedit for that.

As for the importing and exporting triggers it's not important to understand their syntax. Just copy them to notepad and save them to a .txt file.
There's one thing that can throw you off, however: When you make changes in text triggers you have to hit the compile button. Saving from the menu does not work. The compile button is the checkmark on the right of the toolbar. But a shout here on SEN asking how to save text triggers would give you this information within minutes, since probably most of the mappers here know that.

The rate of new people here increases every day, Maybe 1/4th

Your point being?

Thanks for the help with this, guys. I have another problem, easy one (I think) this time. How can I make it, so a certain point on the map is revealed for all players for a certain period (the period doesn't have to be accurate)? I tried with Map Revealers being created and scanner sweeps, but scanner sweeps don't work for me (and I wouldn't want to reveal hidden units anyway), and the map revealers can't be killed. Any easy (this time ) solution for this?

You can kill them. Use the "kill unit" action. However this kills ALL map revealers of the specified player.

If you want to be able to kill them independently, just create a unit and remove it as the next action. The vision will be given, but the unit will not be shown.

If you need it to be killable via units then just place a civ or a dropship or some other unit without attack.

I just wanted to give another note on the side about the Compile button... it's how SCMDraft2 recycles identical strings (that aren't from copying triggers). It'll give a bunch of errors for each it does... just hold enter. Then save, close the map, and reopen, or you'll keep getting the same errors any time you mess with any menu stuff, pretty much.

It also will detect syntax errors and tell you pretty well what the problem is, so you can post that info here if you have trouble.