So!? Still my favorite

wtfh? WHERE AM I? Bunch of homos

I didn't even make Newb of the year?

==Response sheet==
Most helpful mapper: Echo
Best mapper: Falkoner
Best map: Temple Seige
Most helpful modder: --
Best modder: --
Best mod: --
Best terrainer: Falkoner
Best staff: Dapperdan
Best member overall: NudeRaider
Worst spammer: Generalpie
Best fight: Everyone vs Esponeo by far
Artist of the year: ToA
Discussion member: Isolated Purity
Tech member: Matt Birch
Best newb: Tassadar
Best fad creator: Tassadar *shoots newb with zergling gun* (I don't know if anyone else really does this besides him though )
Most superfluous use of DTBK's blue: DTBK

Reason For Edit: I got the last question wrong.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Dec 15 2008, 2:58 am by Hug A Zergling.

I kindly disagree with you sir.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 15 2008, 3:32 am by Dapperdan. Reason: LOL bye bye flame

But sir, I do not see your reasoning. I am of the belief that you must first post some of your own music on the forums before you critique my opinion of Toa.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Dec 15 2008, 3:41 am by Dapperdan. Reason: ... I don't know!

Ah, you see my friend, I am extremely tempted to share my music with you and spread my joy, however, I lack the necessary mic to record. In the end, I think I must admit to myself that the majority of this world will not always have the same opinion as me. I wish you the best in your future musical pursuits.

BACK TO REALITY
People like you make Paris Hilton famous.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Dec 15 2008, 3:43 am by Dapperdan. Reason: ... because!

Corbo'd

Also, Ex, don't worry. Your negative vote for ToA eliminates his vote for him

So... there was some minor flaming going on. And I decided to edit the shit out of ex's and huga's posts. I apologize for having too much fun ahead of time, and wish that someone got a lol out of that. I know I did.

/me kills self

I see no issues with voting for ToA, if you think so then your A-hole.

+ this is a voting area where we can vote for whom we want.

Got issues with it well go lick moose hairy nut sack then -_-

You were my favorite senner for a while cent

Most helpful mapper:
Best mapper:Tux
Best map:Puzzling
Most helpful modder:
Best modder:Farty
Best mod:Farty
Best terrainer:RoryFenrir
Best staff:yes
Best member overall:Farty
Worst spammer:Farty
Best fight:the one with esponeo
Artist of the year:Farty
Discussion member:Farty
Tech member:Farty
Best newb:Farty
Best fad creator:Farty
Most superfluous use of DTBK's blue:Farty

The term Best "mapper" is pretty broad and there can be all kinds of mappers. But my point is that personally I'd choose a MillenniumArmy over a Lethal_Illusion (if I were to vote for someone other than myself of course). I think someone that has created maps that people can say to friends, "Hey let's play X map" or "Go host a public game of X" is more fit for the title of Best Mapper.

I respect Lethal_Illusions skills as a mapper think he does probably the best work with new and complex trigger systems, but he still hasn't made many, if any, completed maps that I would consider fun. I may show FRAGs to someone who has never seen it before so they can go "omg wtf this is so cool" but it's not the kind of map you would play over and over again for fun. I'm sure he's been working on something that's meant to be played and has actual gameplay value, but the fact is there's nothing completed yet. I see his work as more valuable conceptually.

However, I'd say in terms of just pure triggering, a Lethal type person would have contributed more to the community than a MillenniumArmy type person because of the way Lethal has done complex things no one has done. Although one could say that Mill's triggering is more accessible and easier to comprehend to the general mapmaker. A mapmaker just starting out would have an easier time replicating something Mill has done than something Lethal has done. Of course this also depends upon the type of person since some people can easily grasp those kinds of technical things. I guess the issue boils down to whether you prefer someone who has done amazing conceptual work scattered across various incomplete concept maps but hasn't really applied any to a single complete map that people can play versus someone that has taken simpler and more well known concepts but has applied them in original ways to create maps that people enjoy playing. When considering who should be called the best mapper you have to first think about what aspects of mapping you value the most.

I'd also like to recognize that azala is another worthy nominee that I'd put in the Mill-type category. His April defense is another of his maps that has gained popularity on battle.net.

But ultimately you don't have to choose between those two types of mappers and prefer one over the other because I am the best of both worlds and my poker map is an example of a map that has everything in it.


The same issue applies to the idea of Best Map. Are we talking about best map in terms of its technical mapmaking value or its entertainment value? Now if we choose entertainment value I wouldn't be surprised if everyone, except me, jumped aboard the Temple Siege bandwagon and called Temple Siege and UnholyUrine the best map and mapmaker. Not surprisingly, Temple Siege is currently in the lead. It should be renamed Best Map Fad.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 15 2008, 4:58 am by Mayor.

Thank you very much. It's nice to have one or 2 people on my side.

Cats and mice had a fad, certain bounds had a fad. Does that make the creators the best mapper?
I'm pretty sure that everyone will agree that someone with a negative IQ could create a cat and mice map.

My point is, don't think about the categories just vote

ROFL

But the popular maps I'm referring to aren't just fads that pass. For example, MillenniumArmy's maps aren't fads and even though they aren't amazing works of triggering and even though people could easily trigger it, the thing people probably couldn't equal him in is coming up with the original idea in the first place. And to show that his maps aren't just fads, there are clans that are still around that play his maps.

Your examples are irrelevant as well. I was talking about specific mappers and specific maps. You're mentioning broad categories of maps.

And my underlying point is that sure you can just mindlessly vote, but it's better to also analyze why you voted because then you know your reason and purpose and you're conscious of it. Ultimately you end up make a better decision and the categories become more defined. It's like life. You can perform the same routine all day like a zombie and you'll still be considered alive. But if you look at your life and think about what you've done and why you've done it then you've created meaning. You've acknowledged that you have free will and accept the consequences of your decision.

What Best mapper and best map mean are like the philosophical questions of mapmaking.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Dec 15 2008, 6:36 am by Mayor.

Once I finish this mini-game map of mine, this will put 99% of all my past maps to shame*

* in terms of effort and work that is

Specific map? Okay.

Cats and mice jungle v7.78
Happy?

I think devilesk raises a lot of good points but I also think it's clear that he's going far too in-depth for this topic as he tends to do. He will do as he will do.

While I'm thinking about it... I really should change my 'best map' choice but I don't know what to... I just put Tetris because I thought it was so awesome that someone had done a Tetris map well. Also it was the last map I played when I was testing it with him... in any case, I'll think about it.