Moose stole the idea of Temple Siege. You should make it Altar of Moose Siege.

Perhaps I raised the base damage, HP, and armor on Zealots, which had 5 upgrades already which have been for Dragoons this entire time?

Nexus = Buildable teleport destination?

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How about Siege Moose? It'll be like a Siege Tank, with Moose Antlers on the top of the cannon or somewhere, and players work together (or bitch at one another XD) and try to destroy the opponents Siege Moose.

12 classes, 4 unique (Bullshit. Too many stun skills.) spells for each class, and an overpowered zergling. Sound like fun?

Sounds like an idea for the winter mapping contest...

I've always wondered. What if the base was Mobile?

Just a question...
when the dark templar uses that paralyze ability
is it also supposed to give my zerglings to computer?
( I was using a summoner )
completly neutralized my army of 12 and killed my defiler :[

DM mentioned a couple pages back about Oo.Shocko.oO just to clear things up, this is not me. Shox will never be Oo because not only do they admire him too much to be worthy, but he hates them too much to care ;D!

Oo.Shocko.oO is an imposter, IsaT i believe owns that account, so rag on him

I look forward to sieging temples again soon enough

Assassin L2 has always neutralized any "spawn" be it DA, summoner units, computer spawn, might even work on Warriors L2 not sure though, but it's always been a counter to summoner. attack with lings, spell 2 and they are neutralized, and free xp.

Yeah, it's only fair since DT has piss low hp and stuff like lings could rip him faster then teleport

in my opinion chaos mutation shouldnt have full hp if you didnt upgrade HP to max, it seems alittle cheap to have that much extra HP, basically the only thing thats gonna kill it is if you double decapitate it in rapid succession.

how long have the ghosts been invincible for? o.o

Chaos Mutations only balance issues could only be cooldown, time the spell lasts and damage, i don't think chaos mutation is supposed to be a spell that helps you die... I mean it's pure stupidity if you think you're going against a Level 4 spell and winning. And assuming the chaos mutation has upgrades, it's safe to assume his L3 has split upgrades or no upgrades meaning he had to whip out an extra 3 civs to get the extra spell and an extra 2 civs for minimum casting requirements. At the end of the day, if a player chooses to go Chaos mutation their life could be pretty hard getting there, so to make getting there even less worth it really would be the ultimate "shit on my face".

And using your logic, Volt L4 should have same %hp/shields
DT should be vincible not invincible
Broodlings should have less hp or not be able to combo with no attack
Mines should be able to feed you so not invincible

basically any Level 4 advantage that makes it worth being L4 should be taken away for your convenience... because you're a lower level and it's only fair if you can get to a higher level...

Let's not push it.

As for Chaos Mutation, Shocko is on the money:
It has no cooldown. Yet a cooldown serves fine as balance for Volt's L4. Chaos Mutation should probably have a cooldown to balance it and I will give it one.

It wasn't a suggestion, just wasn't sure if it currently worked on them, since it works on DM's Da, Summoner lings/ultras, etc. I doubt it did anyways.

Remember before i said I'll make it so that there's no mana gain when you're in Assassin's L3, Volt's L4, and Mutant's L4? .. That should balance things out. Why Assassin's L3? because it's too base rape at night..

Btw i checked out the L4 for mech... and it's seriously lacking effects and balance (it did 4k dmg with ~8 ups to a trapped hero, which was ez to trap) .. The idea's okay I guess... U can leave it like that for now, I'll probably change the effects to make it look cooler XD

Let's put it into perspective:

(We're assuming all upgrades are 8 and that the hero is paralyzed/trapped/cannot evade these attacks)

Mech L4: 4000 damage with 8 upgrades (according to you, so I'm not doing any calculations)
Mech L3: (70 + 7*8) * 8 Tanks = 1008 Damage (explosive)
Mutant L3: (50 + 4*8) * 8 Lurkers * 2 Attacks = 1312 damage
Mutant L4: (150 + 12*8) * 12 attacks = 2952 damage (I'm assuming he can get off 12 attacks with it)
Volt L4: (80 + 8*8) * 15 Attacks = 2160 damage (I'm assuming he can get off 15 attacks with it)
(Am I the only one disappointed by Volt's L4 these days?)
Light Mage L1: (20 + 3*8) * 9 Templar (including LM himself here) * 3 Attacks = 1188 damage
Light Mage L2: (110 + 10*8) * 4 Reavers = 760 damage (lol stronger than L1)
Light Mage L4: (110 + 10*8) * 3 Reavers * 5 Waves = 2850 damage
Archer L1: (23 + 4*8) * 4 Mutalisks * 2 Attacks = 440 damage
Archer L4: (23 + 4*8) * 36 Mutalisks * 3 Attacks (probably more, even more damage if the Archer manual's before all the Mutalisks are made) = 5940 <-- !
Assassin's L4: (1800 + 8*20) = 1960 damage

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Okay, that was more for me than for you.
I can see how the damage is a little high for Mech's L4. (and on Archer's L4 too) It's a bit tricky to balance a damage L4, since there really weren't any straight up damage L4's before, aside from Archer's. Considering it hasn't really even been playtested, I think you're the last person who should criticize me for not getting it right on the first try.
I want to test it more... if things don't work out I'll probably scale it back to 3 each of the Gols/Vults/Tanks instead of 4.

I've tested it out quite a bit myself. Its turned some nasty 3v1s into 1v1s with a mutant with no L4 cooldown. It does wicked damage, but you have to target whatever if there are units around, so first shots usually don't count. I think I saw it do about 3000 damage to the temple in a matter of seconds, so it DEFINITLY needs a cooldown, like the Mutant L4.

Okay, I don't think slapping cooldowns on every spell that does a lot of damage is a good method of balancing. (nor is it a good method of keeping triggers simple and easy) It isn't as if the mana to cast three or four times suddenly spontaneously generated. On the contrary, the hero had to hold off on casting for a while and put a lot of extra levels in mana speed/max to be able to do that. If they want to jerk it all off in one place on one thing, I have to say they've earned it.

However, the high damages (though you didn't mention how many upgrades were in play here) by these spells make a good foundation for a case promoting high HP/low armor Temple stats.

If not cooldowns, how about a few variable mana costs, like Assaults 220 gas for L4? All you'd need would be an additional condition and action, instead of a few bootlegged additional triggers, but I'm sure you'd know that. Though, an error and refund would have to be added.

Might as well just raise the cost of L4 itself and increase the power of the weaker L4s.