Brings up controversy? So 9/11 brought up no controversy?

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 16 2009, 9:14 am by JaFF. Reason: Let's leave the tumor questions out of this

Yes, exactly. Coincidences.

Like

- Mohamed Atta al Sayed, Waleed al-Shehri, Wail al-Shehri, Abdulaziz al-Omari, Satam al-Suqami, and 14 other middle suspicious middle eastern folks disappearing from the face of the earth on that day.
- All of above said people were found to have boarded their respective crash planes.
- All of above said people were found to have flight experience and been involved in the plotting of this attack with Osama Bin Laden since 1999.
- These people aren't nobodies. Two of them, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, are well known wanted Terrorists.
- Air Traffic Control System getting broadcasts from the hijackers. It was quite obvious what was going on.
- Flight attendants and passengers such as Renee May and Barbara Olson notifying American Airlines and loved ones that hijackers have taken over their planes.
- Reports from above said people indicate that knives and box cutters were used. Surely if one had such things they could do whatever they want in close quarters.
- Forensic remains of hijackers were found at the Pentagon, along with remains of the victims.
- Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Osama bin Laden planning the attacks and openly claiming responsibility behind the death of over 3k innocent civilians.

Let's go even deeper

- The ones claiming responsibility for the attacks are coming from Muslim nations who hate our Christian Nation, who hate our prosperous and free Country, and who hate our very guts to the core.
- The ones claiming responsibility have also had a record of doing harmful things to America, like the 1993 WTC bombing. Think their bitter hatred for America and desire to do more harm will end just from that?
- Research done by the Federal Bureau of Investigation is surely a million times much more intelligent, professional, and credible than the "research" done by ignorant closed minded government hating individuals with no education.
- Working for the FBI or any government agency is no small feet. Surely you can't just walk in without a functional brain or a criminal background check. If you try to cover something up or lie about it, you wouldn't even be there.

And

- If there was no Bush Administration, if there was no War in Iraq, there would be no "9/11 was an inside job." Kind of funny how this conspiracy only started after bitter hatred and sentiment towards Bush/US government/War in Iraq escalated?

False forensic evidence. A plane never crashed into the Pentagon. There are security surveillance videos of nearby hotels and gas stations that caught the incident on tape. On Tape. Live video. No plane.

Many people find the 9/11 conspiracy ridiculous. Why would any government official commit such a crime against their country? Here's why:

Major banking institutions and accountants make billions of dollars whenever war transactions occur, as there are many. 9/11 was a catalyst used to draw America into the middle east and maintain a steady income for wealthy powerful individuals. This has been done with most recent foreign wars.
+(war) - (catalyst)
+WW1 - Sinking of the Lusitania (128 u.s. citizens sacrificed)
+WW2 - Bombing at Pearl Harbor (2400 u.s. soldiers sacrificed)
+Vietnam - Gulf of Tonkin "Indecent" (No casualties, Staged event)
+(current war in middle east) - 9/11 "Terrorist" attack (2,998 u.s. citizens sacrificed)

(Full video explaining everything better than I can. PLEASE WATCH FULL THING IF INTERESTED) for the information mentioned above in detail, skip to 1:28:00

Can't we all just get off the dead horse named 9/11?

The true fact is that people died, believe it or not.

I don't see why people make big deals out of these conspiracies. Conspiracies are ideas made by paranoid people.

Now let the subject, as well as the people, RIP.

The natural response to this is: what about the families of the dead?

Indeed, what about them?

Okay, if a plane didn't hit it, what did?

I lol'd. You believe in conspiracy theories because most people don't. So if I make a website that claims that Hitler is the time traveling reincarnation of Jesus, and people say I'm an idiot for believing it, you'll join me? Sweet.

Erm... Pearl Harbor? Staged? Yeah, right, you tell that to all the veterans that were there when it happened.

Also, you know, if the 9/11 bombings were part of conspiracy to make a shitload of money, we'd have to, you know mobilize the country and switch to a war economy. Also, we made a hell of a lot of money with WWII and WWI because we were selling supplies and war equipment to everyone on the allies, with that many exports and hardly as many imports, why wouldn't we make a lot of money? None of those things are true in Iraq/Afghanistan. If the government were precise enough, and they planned all this out so well, why the hell are we in debt?

Bombing of Pearl Harbor wasnt staged, it was provoked. That doesnt take a conspiracy theory to prove. But when theres something every war that pulls us in, some times you wonder if its really fate, or if someone with high power is truly controlling it all.

Here's another little misconception: WWII actually put us in alot of DEBT, but it helped by stimulating INDUSTRY. Unemployment was still higher than normal throughout alot of the war. War does not really "restore the economy", it actually costs us a shitload. It's because of how FDR reframed the U.S. Economy that it held up after WWII brought up industry and reemployed people.

I never said that pearl harbor was a staged event. Never. Where you got this idea is beyond me.



Again, where did i say pearl harbor was staged?


The war did indeed put America into debt. BUT it profited already wealthy international bankers by providing them transactions.

That actually was a statement to back up your origional idea, I guess I just didnt put it across correctly

I do apologize sincerely Dark Marine, as I did not read your entire post. Also, thank you for your support.

The following is proof that your subtitle for this topic is false:
If you get all of your information from the most biased source possible, of course you aren't going to see anything about the other side that they can't "disprove", and that's not exactly keeping an open mind. I haven't seen any arguments for conspiracy that fulfill all of the following conditions:

• They make clear scientific and logical sense.
  
• They don't shout down their opposition with claims of their close-mindedness, brainwashing, retardation, etc.
  
• They have more support than (as said in the Maddox page) grainy video stills and old declassified government documents.
  
• They have at least one (1) professional in the fields of structural engineering and military science that endorses said theory.

Also, you do realize that banks don't have the authority to do that shit, and that we, the people, have the authority to stage a revolution if we deem the government unfit to rule, right?
Two things in this post really stick out to me:
One: When did we establish that there was thermite in the towers (see bold above)? Quit begging the question, and learn about logic before you decide to attempt an argument, please.
Two: How the fuck does 300 rich families around the world plotting and scheming together for great war profiteering justice EVER make any kind of sense, much less the common variety? You do know that the First World War was caused largely by failed communication since all diplomacy was done by diplomats acting on their own, without contact with other diplomats or politicians from their country, right? How would these 300 families be able to communicate with each other and decide on the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, in secret, if not even the governments of the world powers could figure out how to do it?
1. If the government could cover up the WTC going down, why couldn't they cover up a few more kills, such as opposition video makers? I think that's another thing Maddox was getting at.
2. Isn't a big part of most conspiracy theories the idea that the government is taking away our rights? Hypocritical defense is hyporitical.
3. Your third rebuttal about military precision doesn't make any sense with the point he was making.
4. See two.
What makes you think that the Gulf of Tonkin was staged? There's no reason for it, the Viet Minh wanted their independence and they knew that we weren't going to have that, since they were communist and we were all about containment. Pretty much the first thing you learn about the Vietnam Conflict if you take a history class.

Also... Accountants? Really?! You think that ACCOUNTANTS are conspiring to destroy us all?! This is why no one can take a conspiracy theory seriously!!

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 17 2009, 7:00 am by FatalException. Reason: OP: Good subtletrolling, by the way.

Oh yes, they're as false as fossil findings. In fact, all those dinosaur/ancient creature bones in our museums must be fake! IT'S A CONSPIRACY; THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE THESE THINGS EXISTED YEARS AGO!!

Yes it did... And don't jump into that "Oh but how come the damages in the pentagon don't resemble that of an airplane?" Take some reinforced concrete design and structural analysis classes and you'll understand perfectly what happened. And just because people say it "sounded like a missile" doesn't mean it was a missile.

Like Dark Marine said, we live in the age of Photoshop and advanced video editing and who knows what'll happen if we put it in the hands of a professional. Video and photographic "proofs" are the least credible things to argue for ANYTHING. Try scientific evidences, research, live samples of damages from fire/oil leaks/etc. The Official NIST report does all that.

They must be hallucinating because their loved ones apparently never died! Therefore these families must've all been government test subjects where they play god with their lives for experimentation! Oh my god, we must all be living a lie! Our whole lives are being controlled by the government; it's like we're living in the Matrix. It must be a conspiracy!

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If you want to believe that 9/11 was an inside job, nobody is stopping you (well more like nobody can.) However if you try to use scientific/engineering data as means of supporting your stance then you are just digging yourself into a hole. If you want to go "WELL THE US GOVERNMENT DID THIS. THEY DID THAT. OH AND SO AND SO ALSO THIS TOO!" go ahead; I'll let society judge you.

Do not take those words lightly. Also, I'm sure DM's avatar sparked that thought.