Hey JesusFreak... U know why this is in null? Because no one SHOULD be taking this seriously.

the thing I hate about theorists is that they only try to debunk the accepted views and try to find anything that can be false with it. Yet they can never give evidence to their own theory. This is not how good science works. If you've got a theory test it. If everyone else has a theory and you think it is false, you still gotta run experiments and test it. If you don't, then you have no right to talk about it and waste our time.

The points you and DM (who I seriously hope is simply being sarcastic) [actually I only read half the thread so I wouldn't know what things you spitted out]... they only bring up questions rather than prove the point that it was a conspiracies... If you bring the point up, let's say the fact that a lil fire can't demolish a building.. Look into it and find out what really happened. Because you are correct! A lil fire sholdn't demolish a building.. so what happened? Tell us... No point in arguing with us....

Don't waste our time...

A plane can make a building "fall like a controlled demolition". Fires weakened the steel structure, causing the fall. That has been stated numerous times if you bothered to google anything.

I wouldn't say it made perfect sense that 300 ridiculously rich people plotted the world wars and are going to take over the world, since things never go according to plan perfectly.

This argument is over.

Although the theory that the US government destroyed their own structures may prove to be false, it doesn't address what other methods the US may had done to assist in the attacks. Perhaps provoking or taunting other parties.

ALSO! If you fold part of the Canadian $5 dollar bill, you get something that vaguely resembles a guy in a turban! Coincidence? YOU DECIDE

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 14 2009, 7:23 pm by Hug A Zergling.

I was talking about tower 7, the one that no plane hit

I laugh at conspirators because they get many of their "facts" completely and utterly wrong.

The "WTC 7 could not have collapsed since no plane hit it" is one of them. Answers can be found simply reading the Official NIST report backed with data, calculations, and figures. Start from Chapter 2, it'll tell you detail by detail what happened on that day.

I challenge anyone to show me conclusive evidence that some part of 9/11 was somehow an inside job. Whether it be towers collapsing, evidence of thermites, mysteries of the Pentagon, etc etc, do your best.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 14 2009, 10:34 pm by MillenniumArmy.

Who says that link is truth? They cant confirm anymore than conspiracy theroists can because nobody can actually go to the site and analyze what happened or identify if fowlplay was at work. It was cleaned up before anyone could. [edit] This is probably why most conspiricy threorists belive WTC was fowl play. I myself cant classify myself as one because I dont make things up, I just belive some things because they sound right.

Its sad that something can shove some peoples heads up their ass so far they still think they're thinking for themselves.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 14 2009, 11:18 pm by Dark_Marine.

And this statement is exactly why people are inclined to name call conspiracy theorists. This statement is exactly why people say conspiracy theorists have no credibility whatsoever and look absolutely dumb. Why? Because actually can go to the site and analyze what happened or identify if foulplay was at work. It was NOT all cleaned up before anyone could do anything because the remains of the structural members are there, chemicals were found, pictures/videos were taken, damages from fire can be identified, even bodies were found. Technology today allows us to reenact everything and understand the mechanisms behind the collapses.

The above article admits that even it can't be 100% sure of everything since some evidence was burned away but what people need to realize is that every structure built in this world has it's blueprints, specifications, architects/engineers who designed these things, and countless other sources used for reference and research. Try reading the article. Anyone with even a basic knowledge in the fields of physics, chemistry, and engineering should understand the science and logic behind it. If you actually read that article (which unfortunately most conspiracy theorists do not do,) you can't help but understand the truth in what it is saying.

Simply enough, the article tells you exactly how that tower fell. And like i said there also are articles which say something different too. Facts are facts, research is research. But the real problem is when conspiracy theorists twist these things in their favor.

Have you seen the movie "Yes Man" with Jim Carrey? Basically what happens is that Jim Carrey accepts just about everything he encounters or is offered. He's joined millions of websites, became a member of many organizations, and bought a lot of things. However in the end two government agents believe he is plotting to Attacking the United States and they "prove" this by documenting and recording everything he's done. They somehow tie it all together to make it look as if Jim Carrey was a terrorist. We all know this isn't true at all but these government officials strung together all these things Jim Carrey did and (unintentionally) made it look like he was a terrorist. This is exactly what conspiracists do. They bring "facts" together and twist them to make it look as if what they're saying is right. It's unscientific, they have no proof to link these things together. The only "proof" they have is their bitter sentiment towards the government.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 14 2009, 11:51 pm by MillenniumArmy.

I lol'd at how MA cited Yes Man!

As long as there is a thing known as the Patriot Act in the USA, its never going to be the same country again.

Edit: And just to prove a point, this is EXACTLY another reason why people belive there is a conspricacy. This topic ALWAYS sparks arguement. Now what kind of coverup (If there is, Im tired of the ego shit completely, NOBODY AT THE CONFORT OF YOUR OWN HOME CAN OR CAN NOT PROVE 9/11 WAS REAL OR RIGGED) would you want, one that people say "Maybe it could have happened" or one that sounds more like this "Maybe 9/11 was staged-" "FUCK YOU PEOPLE DIED ROAR RAGE OMG FACTS SAYS OTHERWISE"

Always happens. Thats why I will CONTINUE to stay on the conspracists side.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 15 2009, 12:02 am by Dark_Marine.

If you side with conspiracy theorists simply for that reason, then you are now denying logic, science, and rational thinking. We live in the age of science and critical thinking; if conspiracy theorists want to sound anywhere near credible then they have to stop being hypocrites (which is why topics involving such issues always spark arguments.)

We can't force people to believe whatever they believe in, but if they want to make it clear to people that they aren't delusional and that they have a logical, rational, and scientific reason for their point of view then they better be prepared to do so.

The US didn't destroy their buildings.
The Arabs did hijack planes and attacked US buildings.
...but only because the US decided to provoke them.

My solution makes the Government and Terrorists responsible. Is everyone happy?

LOL SNIPED DM BY A MILLISECOND.

We also live in an age where Photoshop is avalible to civilians, who knows what it can do in the hands of a professional. Science has its counter too.

It's a metal and an oxide. Maybe a steel girder was rusty. Thermite. Jeez, you could cut the stupidity with a knife in here.


Yes it can. Any idiot who's ever taken a frozen loaf of bread out of the freezer can tell you that temperature affects structural integrity before melting points.

wat...

I don't care about how many people say that 9/11 was done by said terrorists.. So as long as there are 1001 and more "coincidences", I'll be convinced that either A: it was entirely planned, or B: someone went back and time, influenced the creation of these coincidences.

Hey guys, I accidently proved time travel. Theres some logic for ya's.

The quality of discussion continues to plummet...

At this rate, I get the feeling I should close the topic soon. We'll see...

Wilhelm's link actually has logical flaws. Now, I'm not for or against the arguement, but just look at the obvious.

Because then it would be obvious that it was a government conspiracy, and people could be prosecuted internationally.

If they removed it, there is further proof that the government is trying to hide something. It also denys the constitution of everyone having their freedom is speech.

Actually. The military is probably one of the few well known groups to have such precision.

Denies freedom of speech and brings up controversy.

I lol'd.


All the other pictures and stuffs are just relentlessly odd.