One of the first things you learn when you come to SEN is that the majority of the regulars here barely have anything to do with mapping. Some don't even play the game anymore. Some would even say the entire non-SC related sections are what keep SEN alive/active. One thing is for sure is that SENers love their Other section.
The best meleers at SEN are D+. 5 years ago, the most active members may have hit C-. C- is a requirment for standard clans like LzH, etc. You will find that people will give advice who don't play sc anymore.
If SEN was focused on melee then that would be an issue. However, since it's not a big part of SEN it doesn't matter at all. People who are serious about melee probably should know better than to look here for serious melee advice anyway.
Other
54,057 posts...Really?!?!?...47% of the entire site's activity...There are countless forums which are non-sc related.
Total post statistics are useless. You don't have to look at the other non-sc related forums.
Clan Oo
Clan Chef
SEN used to have an activity standard. 99% of the time you would not find someone in their channels or op sen. Better yet, they are dead clans. There forums are pointless.
I agree these forums are pretty pointless, but it doesn't matter that they're there. I just don't even look at them. There aren't even any active mapmaking clans in all of SC left anyway.
Database
This database sucks. Not easy to upload. Noone would submit maps other than their own.
It doesn't even really matter if people don't submit maps other than their own. It's still a database and it's still easy to download from.
Reviews
What is the point? Is this for people who don't have SC installed? By the time you read their 5 sentence paragraphs you could have seen the map for yourself.
There's already a topic about this. Right now it's inactive and it could be argued that it's pointless, but it doesn't matter. Just don't look at that section if you don't like it.
Doodan
Status: Global Moderator
I personally hate this guy.
5 Reasons why I hate this guy
1)Horribly liberal
2)Horribly opininionated
3)Who the hell is he? Never seen him on b.net. I think he made a campaign 5 years ago?
4)Witch hunt moar plz?
5)Sen Survivor
6)His Poetry
Hate is a strong word and I find it pretty sad that you
hate a guy when he hasn't even done anything to you directly. What's funny is he doesn't even know who you are and doesn't give a shit about you.
And your reasons for hating him are purely personal.
Total* 495
Null 223
Staredit Network 108
Games 59
Serious Discussion 24
Technology & Computers 19
Portal News 17
UMS Theory and Ideas 7
Media, Art, and Literature 7
UMS Mapmaking Assistance 7
SC2 General Discussion 4
Map Showcase 2
Terrain 2
Map Production 1
Lawl, i like the 17 posts in the "Use Map Settings" 4 forums. 19 posts related to the game...
Jack of all trades status: No
Even for a forum moderator, where SC activity is not required, this guy sucks.
Not at all. He's good at what he does which is moderating the other sections. He may not have the expertise to always give advice in the mapmaking forums, but he can certainly do his job handling people who spam and do other things against the rules.
Moderators only need to enforce the rules. If you take a look at the rules most of the rules are not specific to SC. They're general forum rules that can apply anywhere.
DLDB
Active submitters are a must. Rewards should be given for people who contribute to the DLDB. The DLDB moderators hardly do anything. You should give DLDB moderatorship for the top 3-5 who submit the most files.
Being an active submitter doesn't mean you should be a moderator. Those are two different things. The DLDB staff has their own private subforum that you can see. They work behind the scenes in the background which is why you can't tell that they're doing things, but they are certainly there doing their job.
Conclusion:
I will conclude my argument with a quote from this beloved G.M.
I think that groups such as the Korean gaming leagues have lent more to Starcraft's longevity than to the majority of the "mapmakers" at this site that don't actually make maps anymore.
This site has many things wrong that simply could be fixed.
Its staff hardly play SC and I wouldn't be suprised if some didn't have the game installed.
You should hire news writers to post news. Example: SC batches, new ladders, new programs
I don't see why you're quoting Doodan. What he says
is true. All you have done is quote him but you have said how it is relevant to your argument. I don't know whether you're agreeing with the quote or disagreeing with it or what, because you haven't said so.
Anyway about what you have said. The staff does play SC. Moose plays SC frequently and so does IP. But it doesn't even matter if they did play SC. Staff are just needed to make sure the site runs properly and to moderate. The majority of that work isn't related to SC.
Wiki
This needs to have a SC General section. Many good topics could be covered.
It is a wiki. You're welcome to write an article.
Articles
This is a must have. If you look at any good site you will find this. You can make an article section or a featured threads section. There should be incentives to encourage people to write SC related articles. Possibly, a spot on the news portal for the most current 10 article names. Other sites provide a wealth of knowledge to readers. Interesting articles and experiments could be written about map concepts, mod concepts, melee tricks, melee strats, ladders, Marijuanna affecting SC, SC Beta, SC2, popular channels, other sites, files, Build orders, most played maps, map genres, etc. The most widely used forums for Dune 2, a game 20 years old, has a classic forum for featured threads -.-.
Once again you're free to write an article. No one is going to stop you. Make a thread or put it in the wiki. If there's enough interest to warrant an articles section then one could be created.
Site Projects
This is a must have. If you look at any good site you will find this. There should be site projects such as a monthly or seasonal site map such as a quilt bound, defense map, micro map, or minigame map where people could work together and contribute unique levels to. What better project to kick off the new year's than SC2 to SC1 mod where you attempt to make a SC1 mod with all of the SC2 possible units?
There are contests that are held and anyone can start their own contest or tournament or anything that involves the community. However, an SEN map project has been attempted in the past and it died, but you're welcome to try and start one again. The point is that there's nothing to stop you from doing any of those things.
Discussion Topics
Topics for community discussion. Examples include 2009 site suggestions, sc2 ideas, sc2 4th race ideas, moderator sugestions.
This is a forum. The whole place is meant for discussion. Just create a topic in the right forum and it will be discussed by the community.
The purpose of this site should be to share veterans' wealth of knowledge, community projects, and sharing files.
There's a difference between having a purpose and fulfilling that purpose. SEN may not be fulfilling what you want it to but the problem is the community as a whole. You can point out all of the flaws, but you also should take the initiative to start some change by doing things yourself. No one is stopping you. IP has provided a site where all these things can be done. If they haven't been done then its because no one has taken advantage of all the things the site can offer.
Hopefully, I've listed some ideas that may be changed by new year's day. You should actively seek out community leaders to help run out the site.
The site
runs fine.
Find decent sc players to give advice.
SEN has plenty of knowledgeable mapmakers that give plenty of advice. SEN isn't out to become the source for melee knowledge or things outside of mapmaking.
Find the guys who play in bound clans to submit their 10k bounds to are dldb. Find the guys who play RPGs to submit 1000 rpgs to the site. Give 'em moderatorship.
There are people who are already uploading the maps in their download folder, but you're welcome to go find those people yourself. Anyone can upload to the site, the staff shouldn't have to go around begging people to upload and they certainly shouldn't need to give people incentives like staff positions. Moderatorship has
nothing to do with uploading maps. Clearly you have no idea what moderators do.
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