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Mar 23 2011, 2:15 pm
By: NudeRaider  

Mar 23 2011, 2:15 pm NudeRaider Post #1

We can't explain the universe, just describe it; and we don't know whether our theories are true, we just know they're not wrong. >Harald Lesch

This topic is created because SiberianTiger insists on speaking about his ways to fight hackers on b.net despite his instructions seem really far fetched and find no acceptance among experts. He shall have this freedom, but he shall not further derail other topics unless he can back up his claims here.
This topic will not be moderated for wrong information, other SEN rules of course still apply.

Happy discussing. :)

Quote from SiberianTiger
When you join bnet, alt h op anychannel enter asap. bots waiting for you at lobby send you private message (i.e. join clan sick) and track down your ip.
killer2121 uses this hack. i think guy called eric frost living in chicago made the hacks & still trying to sell them to ppl.

[To avoid direct hack attacks or trojans or other viruses infesting your system:]
if u got any port open for hosting, close it.
another important thing is having a good antivirus firewall software. i had zonealarm and it got hacked. best is norton internet security

Quote from name:Dem0nS1ayer
I'm pretty sure you can't get a virus from starcraft?? They're just hacking your game data, not your computer files, right?

Quote from name:xboi209
I'm pretty sure you can't get a virus from starcraft?? They're just hacking your game data, not your computer files, right?
If you could get a virus from someone who is hacking, Blizzard would of patched sc by now, just like how they did with eud actions :bleh:
Quote from NudeRaider
I'm pretty sure you can't get a virus from starcraft?? They're just hacking your game data, not your computer files, right?
Before patch 1.14, I believe, when EUD actions weren't blocked, it was possible to create triggers that change memory outside of StarCraft. How much you can do by directly altering memory I can only speculate. At the very least you can alter a file that is currently written. For example when copying a file.

Also a hacker can use StarCraft to identify your IP and then start a direct attack on your computer (not involving StarCraft). A successful attack can result in complete control over the victim's computer.
Quote from Jesusfreak
Yeah, I was kind of thinking... how would I be able to get on b.net if I delete the b.net file? And wouldn't deleting the starcraft folder uninstall the game?

Quote from Ahli
Yeah, I was kind of thinking... how would I be able to get on b.net if I delete the b.net file? And wouldn't deleting the starcraft folder uninstall the game?
He means the folder within the regedit.
What's wrong about deleting them?
I know that Starcraft recreates some registry entries and 0 entries are necessary to run SC. I'm copy pasting my Starcraft instead of installing for many years now...
I only use a installpath directory fix when I need the path for other programs like a patch.
Quote from Heinermann
First of all, there's absolutely no reason why anyone would even think about deleting Starcraft registry keys.
Secondly, doing so will prevent any tools that depend on the install path from running.
There are no benefeits of removing the Starcraft registry key.

I should have mentioned that over 90%(if not all) of everything cosmicagent mentioned is either unrelated or false. [still applies]

Quote from SiberianTiger
NudeRaider shouldn't have removed other part of my instructions. Simply disputing it would have sufficed.. If anyone wants it, pm me.

So what are those tools that are so essential for the install path?

When you run starcraft again, the registry comes back. When you log onto bnet, registry comes back.


Imagine if your sc was acting crappy, just as jesusfreak described (or or what I'm going through)

You uninstall starcraft. You reinstall it. Then you update it. So far so good. Now you restart sc bw. Then you get on bnet. But you can't get on bnet. How come? You turn on internet browser. Works fine. You turn on other games, like counter strike source, rise of nations, age of empires, lock on: modern air combat. They all can access multiplayer. But not starcraft?

Even though you uninstalled and reinstalled sc, your previous game settings remain. So, process of elimination. There's something wrong with starcraft. If you uninstall it and reinstall completely, the problem should go away. Problem remains. what doesn't get touched in the process of reinstalling? registry? then get rid of the registry.

by the way, make sure to open starcraft folder in program files (x86) to run sc with administrative rights. Don't right click on shortcut and run admin rights.

Even if you delete registry (starcraft under blizzard and battle.net) appsps like scmdraft and tinymap map protector work juts fine.

Other things like iccup launcher probably won't, but in my experience those things made me more vulnerable, so I don't even use it.

Quote from NudeRaider
NudeRaider shouldn't have removed other part of my instructions. Simply disputing it would have sufficed..
I left your post untouched for almost a week and it did get disputed by several posters in that time, but no reaction from you. The problem was nobody understood where you were getting with your instructions. If you want to post on SEN you should form the habit to write clearly and organized. Otherwise you'll just confuse people and are not helpful at all.

Your new post shows a logic your old post didn't so I'll keep it. But it's still unrelated to the problem of the thread-starter. You're describing how to get b.net working when he's asking about hacks that drop you from a game. However, I suggest not bringing this thread further off-topic.
Quote from Heinermann
Even though you uninstalled and reinstalled sc, your previous game settings remain. So, process of elimination. There's something wrong with starcraft. If you uninstall it and reinstall completely, the problem should go away. Problem remains. what doesn't get touched in the process of reinstalling? registry? then get rid of the registry.
Any results from deleting the registry keys are merely your delusion. There is no purpose. There are only drawbacks, no benefeits AT ALL.
Quote from SiberianTiger
It's my full intention to spam "It's not my delusion" to match each and every instance of your saying it is my delusion.

Not doing all of the steps doesn't help. In order to fix the issues with random disconnection, laggy gameplay (unrelated to internet connection), unresponsive bnet (i.e. buttons, between lobbies or menus), or simply being unable to connect to bnet, you need to follow all the steps, including

deleting "Battle.net" folder and "Starcraft" under "Blizzard" folder at HKEY_CURRENT_USER/SOFTWARE

Plus, the deleted registry comes back to original state when you run sc or connect to bnet afterwards.

Read my full instruction here.

Quote from DevliN
I think the issue for everyone else paying attention to this argument is that we all know Heinermann knows what he's talking about when it comes to computer stuff, but more specifically he knows the ins and outs of StarCraft 1. So for the rest of us, if he's telling you that deleting the keys does absolutely nothing of any use, then we're probably inclined to believe him. :/

Quote from NudeRaider
Even though you uninstalled and reinstalled sc, your previous game settings remain. So, process of elimination. There's something wrong with starcraft. If you uninstall it and reinstall completely, the problem should go away. Problem remains. what doesn't get touched in the process of reinstalling? registry? then get rid of the registry.
Any results from deleting the registry keys are merely your delusion. There is no purpose. There are only drawbacks, no benefeits AT ALL.Heinermann can you confirm that there's no way (to your knowledge) that a purposely crafted StarCraft registry key can disrupt battle.net experience?
However if such a thing was possible, what problems could arise? (I think that's the train of thought SiberianTiger is on)
Quote from SiberianTiger
I don't like how the discussion has been skewed so anything Heinnerman says can trigger deletion or modification of what I wrote. As I wrote on the other thread,

You are missing the point when you say "this is nonsense, don't waste your time trying." If you don't have any of the problems I've mentioned, fine don't bother with it. But if you actually do have these issues, and you're stuck without any solutions it wouldn't hurt to try my methods, and in fact it would help greatly (in fact it would solve them). What I've offered in the post above yours has more to do with solving the problems through process of elimination in restoring sc to its original state than paranoically exploring all the possible explanations and conspiracies.

I don't care if everyone in this forum minus people having the same problems don't believe me. Don't bother with this if you don't have the problems. If you do, it doesn't hurt to try my method.

Also I have no incentive in making up stories or lies. On the other hand, it is possible the person trying to cover this up might be the hacker himself/herself.

The guy who uses eric frost's hacks against me commented on this forum - killer2121.
Quote from DevliN
Except it does hurt to try your method. Heiner explains it pretty well in the other thread. Once you start messing with the files you aren't supposed to mess with, of course errors will arise. Hell, that's what the "viruses" do.

EDIT
Killer2121, the map maker who was trying to come up with ways to combat anti-hacks in his maps? That's interesting. :/

Quote from Heinermann
Nobody cares about this killer21 guy or "eric frost's" hacks. (eric? am I supposed to magically know who they are or care about their names?)

List of all possible registry keys in the following modules: (Starcraft, Standard, Battle, Storm): http://code.google.com/p/vgce/source/browse/trunk/docs/Blizzard/Starcraft/sccmds.txt#86

It's actually a mashup and combination of both HKCU and HKLM registry keys since I couldn't tell the difference in the calls at the time of the document's creation.

Individual explanations:
Code
[Software\\Blizzard Entertainment\\Starcraft]
Recent Maps -- An array containing a list of recent maps, which corresponds to the "Map:" dropdown in the Battle.net Create Game dialog. Appears that any and all values, including invalid, have no impact on the application.
speed -- The last game speed used when creating a multi-player(non-Battle.net) game. Value doesn't matter.
mscroll -- The mouse scroll speed in a single player game. Value doesn't matter.
kscroll -- The key scroll speed in a single player game. Value doesn't matter.
m_mscroll -- The mouse scroll speed in a multi player game. Value doesn't matter.
m_kscroll -- The key scroll speed in a multi player game. Value doesn't matter.
music -- The music volume. Value doesn't matter.
sfx -- The sound volume. Value doesn't matter.
tipnum -- The last tip # displayed. Value doesn't matter.
intro -- Boolean, true if Starcraft should play the intro when it starts up.
introX -- Boolean, true if Broodwar should play the intro when it starts up.
unitspeech -- Boolean mask, true if unit speech is enabled. (Note: Mask means the developers just saved the value as-is without converting it to a true boolean)
unitnoise -- Boolean mask, true if unit noise is enabled.
bldgnoise -- Boolean mask, true if unit speech is enabled.
tip -- Boolean mask, true if show tips are enabled.
trigtext -- Boolean mask, true if subtitles are enabled.
usechatcolors -- Boolean mask, true if chat colors are enabled (this is a secret option).
Game Subtype -- The last "sub-type" ID used. Value doesn't matter.
Game Type -- The name of the last game type used. Value doesn't matter.
Last Created Game Name -- The last created game name. Can be anything. Ignored if too long.
Game Speed -- The last game speed used when creating a Battle.net game. Is the name of the speed instead of a value. Can be anything. Reset to "Normal" if invalid.
Custom Type -- The last game type used for a single player custom game. Can be anything.
StarCD -- Pretty much old/unused.
Gamma -- Gamma setting. Can be anything.
ColorCycle -- Boolean for Color Cycle option.
UnitPortraits -- Value for Unit Portraits option.
CPUThrottle -- Boolean for CPU Throttle option.
Sound Memory Cache
ForceLowMem -- Never used, but causes Starcraft to use less memory for some commonly-used graphics, giving less details to them. This is automatically set when you have less than 22 MB of physical RAM.
ForceHighMem -- Never used, but causes Starcraft to use more memory for some commonly-used graphics, giving more details to them.
InstallPath -- The application's install path. Necessary.


[Software\\Battle.net\\Configuration]
Battle.net gateways -- List of Battle.net gateways
Override Battle.net gateways -- List of gateways that override those in "Battle.net gateways".


[Software\\Blizzard Entertainment\\Internal] -- Never set by the application. I doubt many people even know of these.
Debug Error Output -- Not used.
Protect Memory -- Not used.
Debug Memory -- Not used.
Window Mode -- Not used.
GemUseImageHelp -- Not used.


[Software\\Blizzard Entertainment\\Video Player]
Mode -- Not used.


[Software\\Blizzard Entertainment\\LatencyTest]
MinPacketDelay -- Not used.
MaxPacketDelay -- Not used.
CorruptPercent -- Not used.


[Software\\Battle.net\\Network Providers]
Preferred Provider -- Really old and not used.


[Software\\Battle.net\\Network Providers\\Serial]
Baud Rate -- for Direct Cable Connect which is obsolete


EDIT: Not sure what "Sound Memory Cache" is, I couldn't find that string in Starcraft or Storm, so I don't remember why it's even there, or if it's even used.

Quote from DevliN
I just did a quick search for "Eric Frost Starcraft" and the only thing that came up was an entry in some guy's blog about his family and parenting where he created a SC2 hacks site (that doesn't actually exist anymore). Are you arbitrarily throwing out the name "Eric Frost" just because of that? :wtfage:

Quote from Heinermann
Sorry, I missed some.

Code
[Software\Battle.net\Characters]
Names -- Your last login name. This string is truncated to 16 characters.

[Software\Battle.net\Preferences]
Join Filter -- The game type to query games for in the "Join Game" dialog. Defaults to Show All if it's invalid.
Verbose -- Boolean for Join/Leave notifications.
Clicked Link -- Set to 1 when a link was clicked. Reset to 0 soon after. Possibly circumvents double clicks. If this is initially 1 before starting the application, it initiates a bug that prevents the user from clicking profile links.

[Software\Battle.net\Cookies] -- This key is unused/obsolete.

[Software\Battle.net\Recent Games] -- Looks like the last game name that you joined. Didn't feel like researching the values used for the key name.

[Software\Battle.net\Configuration]
Font -- The font to use for Battle.net text.
Game Data Port -- The port used for game data. Defaults to 6112.
Registration Version -- This value is only written for debugging purposes, it is not read.
Registration Authority -- This value is only written for debugging purposes, it is not read.
Client ID -- This value is only written for debugging purposes, it is not read.
Client Token -- This value is only written for debugging purposes, it is not read.
Server Version -- This value is only written for debugging purposes, it is not read.
Server List -- This value is only written for debugging purposes, it is not read.

[Software\Battle.net\Patch] -- Starcraft's battle.snp module only writes these keys when downloading a patch upgrade. The patch application then reads them. So they don't apply unless you are upgrading the game.
Patches
Launcher
SrcData
DstData


Quote from SiberianTiger
because frost came and dropped me, then rejoined as eric. I know killer2121 isnt smart enough to make hacks on his own, and he also said he bought hacks "to improve his gaming experience"

The only registry im concerned with are those in Software folder under HKEY_CURRENT_USER

Deleting this causes absolutely no harm whatsoever, and they are restored once you run sc again. I never had problem with uninstalling sc, probably because registry was already restored when I ran starcraft before.

Also I don't know why you continue to insist something that is false. I can easily make a youtube video demonstrating how sc works perfectly fine despiting deleting those registry. Give up.

Quote from DevliN
That's fantastic, we all know "Frost." So where does "Eric Frost" come from?

I already know SC works after deleting the keys.

I'm telling you that there is no need to delete them because they have no impact on your(or anyone else's) problem(s). Deleting them only resets your user settings and nothing else. How many times do I need to say this?

I've said it 4 times, so if you don't understand it by now (given that it's a fact and I've just proven it) then I won't be responding to any of your future posts.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Mar 23 2011, 2:29 pm by NudeRaider.




Mar 23 2011, 2:16 pm NudeRaider Post #2

We can't explain the universe, just describe it; and we don't know whether our theories are true, we just know they're not wrong. >Harald Lesch

Following quotes are from another topic discussing the same issue:

Quote from SiberianTiger
I'd like to add that I've had people join the first thing when I hosted, even though my firewall was blocking sc. Strange?

I still don't know how to host effectively, but for others who may face similar problems regarding random disconnection from bnet, being unable to log on, or becoming "lagger" even though your internet speed is fine, here's my method:

Basic:

Go to Starcraft folder in Program Files (x86). Delete bncache.dat
Right click Starcraft.exe in the Program Files (x86) and run with admin rights.
Log onto bnet, then join a private lobby asap (i.e. alt + h op random)

If you still have problems

Type and search "regedit" in start menu, then find Starcraft folder under Blizzard and Battle.net folder at HKEY_CURRENT_USER, delete.
Delete replay file at replay folder in maps folder in Starcraft folder.
If you want to be sure, you can also delete all files in Downloads folder in Starcraft folder.
Repeat basic steps.

If you still have problems,

Type and search maintenance, run disk error check, restart computer, repeat regedit deletion, then basic steps.

If you still have problems, and you use a router,

Make sure you have 6112 port turned off with router's port setting. Turn it back on after you log in. Enable only UDP, not both UDP and TCP. You can also reset the router, probably by pushing into a small reset hole with a pencil.

If you still have problems, and you use zonealarm firewall, make sure you turn off all permissions for outbound connections with Starcraft and Starcraft-related apps before logging into bnet. Turn them back on to host.

If you still have problems, backup all personal files to a disk, hdd, or public folder, create new administrator account, uninstall all unnecessary programs, restart computer, log onto new account, delete old account, run disk check, run ccleaner registry clean, restart, log onto new account, restore personal files, and re-install programs.

Staying in public lobby or chatting in game makes you vulnerable. Booting by opening/closing slot is okay, but banning seemed to enable host hack more.
Do not run programs in background, such as iTunes, while playing sc.
iccup launcher's window mode seemed to also make sc more vulnerable.
scmdraft seemed to make sc more vulnerable. it also goes other way (scmdraft randomly crashing). Restarting computer and deleting cache helps.
zonealarm was not sufficient in my experience. it was hacked. whenever sc ran, za would reach 100% cpu and its program control interface would become unresponsive.

Quote from DevliN
If you were effectively blocking Starcraft, wouldn't you not be able to connect to Battle.net in the first place?

Quote from SiberianTiger
it was something like inbound or outbound connection, etc. essentially determining whether I can host or not. I can still connect to bnet unless I block all traffic.

Quote from Heinermann
A virus is the only exception for anything I've mentioned below:

Quote
I'd like to add that I've had people join the first thing when I hosted, even though my firewall was blocking sc. Strange?

I still don't know how to host effectively, but for others who may face similar problems regarding random disconnection from bnet, being unable to log on, or becoming "lagger" even though your internet speed is fine, here's my method:

Basic:
Go to Starcraft folder in Program Files (x86). Delete bncache.dat
This is fine if you want to clean up some garbage, but it has nothing to do with hosting or anything else.
Right click Starcraft.exe in the Program Files (x86) and run with admin rights. This is normal. Starcraft needs to access and create files relative to its root folder, so you have to run as an administrator anyway. It does not change anything if you could already run it correctly from the beginning.
Log onto bnet, then join a private lobby asap (i.e. alt + h op random) This does nothing.

If you still have problems
Type and search "regedit" in start menu, then find Starcraft folder under Blizzard and Battle.net folder, delete.
Don't even joke. This suggestion is not funny at all. Don't do it. Starcraft, as well as several third party applications rely on Starcraft's install path registry key. It does NOT recreate this key. Deleting registry keys changes nothing anyway.
Delete replay file at replay folder in maps folder in Starcraft folder. Sure, if you want to delete it, you're free to do so. It doesn't change anything either.
If you want to be sure, you can also delete all files in Downloads folder in Starcraft folder. If you want to delete all your maps, be my guest. It changes nothing.
Repeat basic steps. Not necessary.

If you still have problems,
Type and search maintenance, run disk error check, restart computer, repeat regedit deletion, then basic steps.
This is basic computer maintenance. You should do stuff like this regularly. There's little to no chance at all that this could relate to Starcraft or its performance/connectivity in any way.

If you still have problems, and you use a router,
Make sure you have 6112 port turned off with router's port setting. Turn it back on after you log in. Enable only UDP, not both UDP and TCP. You can also reset the router, probably by pushing into a small reset hole with a pencil.
Don't waste your time. Some PCs like my own that have a router will end up routing 6112 to a different port for outgoing data. Given your IP address and port 6112 open 24/7, not even an expert hacker can use it for anything besides a few Starcraft/Warcraft/Diablo-Only exploits which don't present much threat at all. Unless of course you have a virus backdoor which is unrelated to Starcraft.

If you still have problems, and you use zonealarm firewall, make sure you turn off all permissions for Starcraft and Starcraft-related apps before logging into bnet. Turn them back on to host. I don't use any anti-virus/firewall, because I manage my computer personally, so I don't actually know anything about these tools. I can only imagine that they rape your system's resources.

Staying in public lobby or chatting in game makes you vulnerable. Booting by opening/closing slot is okay, but banning seemed to make host hack more efficient. Vulnerable to what? STDs? Host hack either works or doesn't, there is no "efficiency" involved.
Do not run programs in background, such as iTunes, while playing sc. You can run whatever you want. This only applies to CPU-intensive programs like... a brute forcer for example. Unless you are still running a 233 MHz computer.
iccup launcher's window mode seemed to also make sc more vulnerable. This is just another program running. It doesn't make anything vulnerable to anything.
scmdraft seemed to make sc more vulnerable. it also goes other way (scmdraft randomly crashing). Restarting computer and deleting cache helps. Just close the app. SCMDraft doesn't make Starcraft vulnerable to anything. Everything else mentioned is just unrelated.
zonealarm was not sufficient in my experience. it was hacked. whenever sc ran, za would reach 100% cpu and its program control interface would become unresponsive. Sorry, it was NOT hacked. I hope you know what the term means. This is obviously a ZoneAlarm bug that their developers failed to realize.

random disconnection from bnet
For those on a shared or a wireless connection, this may be a normal occurance. Otherwise there is no such thing unless you are having issues with your ISP which I've had in the past.

Quote
being unable to log on
Assuming by "log on" you actually mean "connect to Battle.net", then there is no such thing unless of course you run Windows 7 or have some kind of program that does things that it shouldn't do. The check for battle.net connectivity checks the state of the window (either directly or indirectly, I don't know for sure). If the window's state is out of focus then there's a good chance that logon will fail.

becoming "lagger" even though your internet speed is fineThis is a connection issue between you and another user. Starcraft redirects traffic through other players for those you are unable to communicate with. This causes you to rely on traffic managed by someone else in the game. Any delay from that other user will show up as you (since only you have not received the data, then you are considered lagging). You could have the fastest, most reliable internet connection in the world and it would be the same.
Quote from SiberianTiger
I think deleting bncache partially solves problem with logging onto bnet. It doesn't have much to do with hosting, though.

When I say delete registry, I don't mean everything, just under HKEY_CURRENT_USER/SOFTWARE - "Battle.net" folder and "Starcraft" under "Blizzard" folder. These come back when you run Starcraft again or connect to bnet.

Deleting replay and downloaded maps probably won't do anything in most cases. I just remember once when deleting them helped when everything else I tried didn't.

You don't have to "waste time" with 6112 port if you don't face any issues, of course.

Cross out "efficient" because I just meant "vulnerable" or "enabling." The hackers on several occasions insisted that I chat or expressed frustration that I wouldn't.

When I ran iTunes 2 weeks ago for the first time in 5 months while running sc it became "laggy" again and I started randomly disconnecting. One of the guys who might have been the cause typed "!" The internet doesn't lag, just the pointer, the menus, and pretty much everything relating to frame rate. The music starts buzzing occasionally.

If I run scmdraft 2 while running sc, I have to regularly do the extra steps in order to log onto bnet without problems. If I don't run any sc related 3rd party apps usually deleting bncache.dat suffices. scmdraft also seems to randomly crash if I am running sc with it.

Alright. It wasn't hacked. My computer simply started having all sorts of problems, and I had to return it to factory setting and re-install everything, plus Norton.

The disconnection from bnet has nothing to do with wireless because it never occurs as long as I delete registry and bncach etc etc and also reset router when it starts acting fishy.

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I would be satisfied with your explanations, except for one the problems aren't naturally or occasionally occuring issues and two you don't provide a way around them.

I don't care to make correct guesses on how these things actually happen, except that my method works foolproof (at least to the point of "connecting" to bnet).

My story is much more substantial than your hypothetical explanations, since, in a world of infinite possibilities, your explanations constitute just one of them. It's insignificant. There is a clear difference between sc having all sorts of bugs or bnet being completely inaccessible (and your forgetting what sc is supposed to be like and thinking it has problems because it's an old app) and sc working flawlesslywith you being in control.

You are missing the point when you say "this is nonsense, don't waste your time trying." If you don't have any of the problems I've mentioned, fine don't bother with it. But if you actually do have these issues, and you're stuck without any solutions it wouldn't hurt to try my methods, and in fact it would help greatly (in fact it would solve them). What I've offered in the post above yours has more to do with solving the problems through process of elimination in restoring sc to its original state than paranoically exploring all the possible explanations and conspiracies.

I did not set out to try out the things I did initially assuming the problems were due to "hacking". I encountered them with unfamiliar surprise and tried all sorts of things to the point of desperation. At that point I started thinking, "okay assuming sc will work fine on a cleanly installed computer, and, simply re-installing sc doesn't work, what extra is there that may be causing the problems?"

The problems and ways to fix them seem to involve very few things actually. bncache, registry, firewall, router, and disk maintenance, and it's mostly bncache and registry.

In my defense, I wouldn't know what else to call the causes of the problems, if not "hacking," since they aren't caused by some program error or glitch with windows (since they can be fixed), they are usually accompanied by signs (i.e. router port page showing all broken up) or a prior event that triggers them, and they are completely preventable (i.e. quickly leaving public lobby, never chatting in-game) or fixable.

Quote from Heinermann
Quote from Heinermann
A virus is the only exception for anything I've mentioned below:
If not a virus, then they are user settings that you modified. It has nothing to do with anything you mentioned. This is almost a complete fact, it doesn't matter what you think. In the end, YOU are the cause of the problems. YOU're the one opening other applications and changing Windows settings. Everything involving the game itself (Registry keys, bncache, etc) have NOTHING to do with it. Do you seriously want me to go into technical detail using words you wouldn't even understand and actually waste my time proving it?

Quote from SiberianTiger
I think I already mentioned "forgetting" the method after not bothering with sc for 3 months.

And what happened on my freshly installed computer? The same stuffs over again.

And what happened after I rediscovered what I was supposed to do through trial and error? The problems went away.

Now do you recall scientific method from 5th grade science class?

Control - when I forgot
Test - when I remembered
Result: bugs yuck vs. no bugs yay

Case closed.

Quote from DevliN
Quote from SiberianTiger
Case closed.
So everyone is just out to get you. Alright.

Quote from SiberianTiger
Dev when I said case closed I meant case closed, not everyone is out to get me.

Quote from DevliN
Right, but everyone is giving you reasons why you aren't being targeted by hackers and you're trying to prove that everyone is wrong and you are definitely being targeted. So to me, you saying "Case Closed" means that no matter what we say, ultimately everyone is out to get you and it can only be hackers who devote their time and effort to make some random guy suffer.

Quote from SiberianTiger
No when I meant case closed I meant my method works.

Your thoughts are muddled. I only spoke of the hacker(s). I don't understand how that "ultimately" includes everyone.

Quote from DevliN
But your method doesn't do anything, which is the point everyone else is trying to get through.

My thoughts aren't muddled, I'm making a joke at the expense of your paranoia by using that expression.

Quote from SiberianTiger
Well your joke sucks. Your thoughts aren't muddled, just stretched very unnecessarily. What are you trying to accomplish here?

Quote from SiberianTiger
Control - when I forgot
Test - when I remembered
Result: bugs yuck vs. no bugs yay

Case closed.

If indeed the problems are not real, or I cause them by editing registry, etc., I should have had no problems when I started playing sc again after few months' break on a freshly installed computer. Except I did. You know what? If the problems weren't so serious as being unable to log onto bnet, I wouldn't have bothered to do anything about it. I would simply have tolerated them if they were minor annoyances.

And if my method doesn't work, I should have continued to face the same problems once I applied my method, which I rediscovered through trial and error. Except that didn't happen.

The argument only goes one way. Empirical evidence overwhelms any theory or explanation.

Quote from SiberianTiger
My story is much more substantial than your hypothetical explanations, since, in a world of infinite possibilities, your explanations constitute just one of them. It's insignificant.

This discussion is so skewed against you on so many levels.

Even if I were to concede there is 99.9% risk that I am wrong, .1% is more than good enough reason to try out my method, since any chance that the problems will be solved outweighs any likelihood it won't. And if you don't have these issues then what I'm saying won't be relevant.

If this were a debate I would only need to hold onto that .1% risk that I am right. I don't even know why you bother to argue on this.

It's like me taunting you to send your zealots to my terran turtle, and you actually falling for it in suicidal fashion.

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Well... You are lucky! I got the answer you have been waiting for!

Ever heard of Linux? Get Ubuntu! It's a virus free Operating System. Once installed on your system, you will be able to create a virtual OS using VirtualBox, you will be able to install you beloved windows and still play games. If anything ever goes bad again, you can easily make backups and restore everything to normal again. Also, did I say Linux was virus free? Well, what are you waiting for? Hurry up and get to the download page!

(Whatever floats your boat)

I hope I somehow helped you (And other people) with the content of this post.





Mar 23 2011, 5:21 pm DevliN Post #3

OVERWATCH STATUS GO

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If indeed the problems are not real, or I cause them by editing registry, etc., I should have had no problems when I started playing sc again after few months' break on a freshly installed computer. Except I did. You know what? If the problems weren't so serious as being unable to log onto bnet, I wouldn't have bothered to do anything about it. I would simply have tolerated them if they were minor annoyances.
Okay, so here's where I'm confused, then. You re-installed StarCraft on a fresh computer, and the problems went away. I thought this was about you being convinced that hackers were making your life hell, and you changing registry keys and whatnot to combat that. But the attacks stopped when you reinstalled StarCraft.



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Mar 23 2011, 6:28 pm SiberianTiger Post #4



I re-installed Starcraft on a fresh computer, and the problems returned without me doing anything. That made me try to remember what I had to do. Then through trial and error, the problems became manageable, as long as I applied the fixes every now and then.

And no the hackers don't make my life hell. I can get on bnet fine. Not being able to host is just a minor annoyance. Im perfectly fine being the victim of that if the only way I would be able to host would be to win the hacker's approval, which I am not interested in.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Mar 23 2011, 6:33 pm by SiberianTiger.



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Mar 23 2011, 6:30 pm DevliN Post #5

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Okay, so hackers are definitely targeting you to make your life on StarCraft and StarCraft 2 hell, right?



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Mar 23 2011, 6:36 pm SiberianTiger Post #6



I'm afraid I'm going to stop responding to your interrogation.

This is what I said:

Quote from SiberianTiger
If indeed the problems are not real, or I cause them by editing registry, etc., I should have had no problems when I started playing sc again after few months' break on a freshly installed computer. Except I did. You know what? If the problems weren't so serious as being unable to log onto bnet, I wouldn't have bothered to do anything about it. I would simply have tolerated them if they were minor annoyances.

And if my method doesn't work, I should have continued to face the same problems once I applied my method, which I rediscovered through trial and error. Except that didn't happen.

Read it 5 times, if you can't understand what it means. (means your questions are useless time waste)

Except and Except. Those two things are the only things I will discuss.



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Mar 23 2011, 6:57 pm Decency Post #7



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There is a clear difference between sc having all sorts of bugs or bnet being completely inaccessible (and your forgetting what sc is supposed to be like and thinking it has problems because it's an old app) and sc working flawlesslywith you being in control.
Saw this, instantly figured out who knew what they were talking about.



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Mar 23 2011, 7:20 pm DevliN Post #8

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I have read that, and my last question still stands. Your original claim was that a hacker or hackers are preventing you from playing, which is why you went through the trouble of figuring out how to combat it by modifying the SC files. After making the changes you made, this stopped. So either they got bored of harassing you and stopped, or something you did prevented them from harassing you, or something you did just made SC work properly.

It is difficult to understand why a couple hackers would spend all this time making one random guy (who no one knows) have a hard time playing SC and SC2. It is easier to believe that there is an issue with the program. I've installed and reinstalled SC1 10 times on my computer after switching to Windows 7 and haven't gotten it to work properly since. I know that is because of the operating system and various other non-hacker issues. Let's also not forget what game we're talking about, and the amount of random disconnects that occur because of the game. The last time I remember SC working flawlessly was years ago before the huge Warden incident. I've always had issues with disconnects, games not starting, bad lag on a good connection, etc., but I know all of that was due to errors in the game client. So when you say things like there is a difference between a bug-ridden SC and being in control, I question what "being in control" actually means when talking about Battle.net.



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Mar 23 2011, 7:37 pm SiberianTiger Post #9



Well that's the story that goes along with why I make the changes.

To your last question, I won't really answer it.

It's not a matter of understanding or fulfilling your urge to explain everything. I said this before. Empirical evidence overwhelms any theory or explanation. No matter how wonderfully you explain what other things may be wrong with sc, I won't care because, after all, you can explain them in infinite number of ways, but I do clearly observe a difference when I apply the fixes. What did I say? We only need to discuss two things. Except and Except. The problems I have with sc has nothing to do with windows, windows 7, or sc itself.

I could care less if random hackers committed themselves "to spend all this time making one random guy (who no one knows) have a hard time.."

Only thing that mattered to me was that

I couldn't get on bnet.

I applied the fixes.

I could get on bnet.

Now that's a very eloquent poetry.



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Mar 23 2011, 10:52 pm TiKels Post #10



Perhaps I may be passing over my boundaries as a lowly SEN grunt, but I believe I may speak for everyone when I say

Please refrain from "Helping" other people with problems running games/viruses/etc.



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Mar 28 2011, 12:16 am LoveLess Post #11

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Quote from DevliN
Okay, so hackers are definitely targeting you to make your life on StarCraft and StarCraft 2 hell, right?
With as much whining and QQ'ing as this guy does, I can see why they specifically target him. He pretty much made his own life hell by doing this or it all started by him talking out of his ass, like he has been for the past 20-30 posts I have read.

You have no knowledge of StarCraft or StarCraft 2's inner workings, or any kind of program by the looks of your 'suggestions.' You are basically being trolled on SEN in the form of us 'helping' you, albeit in a different manner than on SC or SC2, but I feel that this was entirely brought up onto yourself. They had to have a reason to target you and at some point along the line, you proly mocked them and this fueled their troll trains, prolonging what could have been a short lived annoyance.



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Mar 28 2011, 12:22 am NicholasBeige Post #12



Look out kid it’s somethin’ you did. God knows when, but you’re doin’ it again. You better duck down the alley way - lookin’ for a new friend.

The man in the coon-skin cap by the pig pen wants eleven dollar bills but you only got ten.



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Mar 28 2011, 5:47 am SiberianTiger Post #13



I backed up my response.

DevliN I don't know what you want.

You can restore whatever part you feel is appropriate.


At least I don't like how your comments have been made into safe haven. She can say what she wants, but I can't respond to it.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Mar 28 2011, 5:57 am by SiberianTiger.



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Mar 28 2011, 6:08 am DevliN Post #14

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Haha alright.



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Mar 28 2011, 6:21 am SiberianTiger Post #15



I guess I can't respond to LoveLess and Cardinal in public with your interference. If they want I could pm them.

What a waste. At least one person read it :)

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If I don't react strongly, then I'm whining. If I do, delete.

Should I always say something by suggesting, wording vaguely, and being defensive?

I am suggesting (cough cough) bias.

I am going to ignore you (yes I called it first). !!! Bye.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Mar 28 2011, 6:43 am by SiberianTiger.



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Mar 28 2011, 7:06 am DevliN Post #16

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You already said you were going to ignore me, so great job so far.

I deleted your first post because it was a rant about how you are triumphant and we are trolls (a la Charlie Sheen).

I deleted your second post because you called one member a little girl, claimed I am making a fool of myself for disagreeing with you, claiming we are all trolling yet again and then claiming to destroy us with your sound logic (LOL I NO RITE). You then called us losers, and an ugly stupid bunch.

Before you start claiming bias, read the site's rules. Don't insult other members, don't insult the staff, and don't post asinine rants about how you are DUH WINNING.

Now I'll re-close this, as I think I have sufficiently proven my point as to why it should have been closed in the first place.



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