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[quote=Centreri][QUOTE]Supply and Demand - as crappy jobs get a lack of workers, the pay goes up and the job becomes less crappy.[/QUOTE]
And then what? All in all, we have a country with businessmen and scientists and grocery baggers, but more of the businessmen and scientists and not enough baggers. Until it gets so in demand that bagging groceries pays more then some jobs requiring a brain - I wouldn't need to get deported if that happens.
[QUOTE]So you think the rich should pay for the poor to be happier? Moron.[/QUOTE]
Capitalism is a system divided into, basically, two classes: The very very rich businessmen, and everyone else. Government-funded agencies and all that are in a seperate league. The very very rich businessmen get rich off the work of the poorer. And thanks to the economy system maintained by the government. Whereas poor people get less out of the system, so yes, they owe the system less.
Businessmen are not as rich as you think, and there is a large difference between a high powered lawyer on £185,000 a year, (around $400k), and a Wal-Mart worker on £7000 a year. Neither are buisnessmen.
And seriously, the rich do not get rich off the work of the poor - if that is all they do, then how come businessmen are rare? Why can't anyone do it? Logic states that to be a buisnessman, you must have some kind of skill that others do not have (else anyone could be one, which they can't), which means they either do something, or are something. Which makes them deserving.
[QUOTE]Suggest a better way. Are you saying that someone should be able to say "Well, maybe he did badly in the test, but I'll let him stay because he pays attention in class...". Seriously, corruption?[/QUOTE]
Refer to the multitude of points and those in different topics about how America needs laborers.
In about five mins I'll be editing the original post with an even better idea.
[QUOTE]So you believe that it is not bad that the Rich suffer so the poor can be happier.
I think I'm obliged to call you a Moron for thinking that one party of people should have money stolen off them to pay for another groups happiness.
And third, does anyone here notice how he has criticized/flamed (depending on how offended you are) very nearly every major poster on this? (everyone except AntiSleep)[/QUOTE]
The rich don't suffer. They lose more money, but unless they lose enough to put them below the poor (impossible), they don't suffer more.
[QUOTE]One person will never have all of the money. Just a small group of people will own most of it.[/QUOTE]
REVOLUTION! Read some economists. Karl Marx, for example - 'Major struggles are results of class conflicts'.[/quote]
Money = Power
Power = Status
Status = Class
Poor people cannot have a major struggle (with the exception of the French)
Rich people can have a major struggle.
Need I say more?
If I were as smart as I think I am...
Yeah, because there were never any revolutions except the french.. And even then, that's enough to prove my point.
Your point seems to be that Money = Class.. so what? What's the point here? What does that have to do with any of the above points?
Yes, you 'need say more'.
1 a set or category of things having some property or attribute in common and differentiated from others by kind, type, or quality : the accommodations were good for a hotel of this class | a new class of heart drug.
• Biology a principal taxonomic grouping that ranks above order and below phylum or division, such as Mammalia or Insecta.
2 the system of ordering a society in which people are divided into sets based on perceived social or economic status : people who are socially disenfranchised by class | [as adj. ] the class system.
• a set in a society ordered in such a way : the ruling class.
• ( the classes) archaic the rich or educated.
• informal impressive stylishness in appearance or behavior : she's got class—she looks like a princess.
3 a group of students who are taught together.
• an occasion when students meet with their teacher for instruction; a lesson : I was late for a class.
• a course of instruction : I took classes in Indian music.
• all those graduating from a school or college in a particular year : the class of 1907.
No you don't.
A million dollars isn't actually that much - even a small house in a mediocre neighborhood is around £500,000 - that's about $1,100,000. It's just because of the media, lottery, and general glorification makes it seem a lot more than it is.
And seriously, if you have no idea about the topic then your comments are somewhat spammish.
This post was edited 2 times, last edit by Viii_iiiV: Dec 6 2007, 7:15 pm.
Viii_iiiV, I do not know how first to put you through this.
1st. Deporting your citizens will come into a MASSIVE lack of workforce.
This will lead to immediate lack of service, infrastructure vacancy, and so on. You might not even have enough toilet papers for your next poop-wipe.
2nd. If you have any idea each citizen's worth is, then you have no idea how your country is still up and running. The rich and poor is of contrast to how well people live in contrast to each other. So if you were to deport all the poor, or half its population- then all your rich would be the poor. And to support your government, they'd end up having to pay more tax then all their stuff would be able to. So in a sense, you'd end up deporting ALL your citizens. So, looks like a one man country. Now that you gotta tax yourself, but with people that left with all their things, it would be better to abandon the idea. People will hate you 100%.
Plus, these things need majority to support you in the first place. So nobody will put you in place of power. Maybe in your dreams.
Even if you did succeed, international pressure will be too great. UN will crush your party instantly. You might actually be held responsible and be taken a court for breaking humanitarian laws ( should this ever happen ).
America is very low wage- Viii. The boss wants their worker's soul. Or they aint hired. 1 mil is a HUGE sum of money for vast majority of americans.
And Viii, if you yourself aint that rich ( who owns multiple buildings and gets inheritant money when yo pop and momz die- then you should consider yourself deported )
If you arent this rich, you would also be VERY hypocritical.
About your comment about workforce, read the original post.
And while what you say is very true, very relevant, and most likely the most intelligent thing anyone other than me has said on this post, the original post no longer includes anything about deportation. I thought of a better way.
The UN will not touch me, mostly because they don't care.
Do they care that there are no human rights in China? No.
Do they care there are dictators in Africa? No.
Do they care about the hundreds of authorotism governments around the world? No.
If you did that, people would leave your country even if you didnt deport them. It would be the same thing for rich and poor- for the poor, its because they have no worthwhile jobs whilst other countries do. Even in Mexico.
For the rich, they would leave because they would have no business worth in your country.
Either way, economy = dead
( On a side note, there is poor and the middle class to account for. They take up MAJORITY of tax incomes if you didnt know. The rich pay a large sum, but their figures are still minor compared to the entire poor and middle. )
Thats untrue. Chinese people get a plenty of rights. They have jobs, they get services, ( as long as they stay in their designated place... ) They also have the right to have vacations, and be rich, own stuff. All in all, they have as much as right as any americans do in their personal life. They will have a problem with you and your government.
Uh... That's pretty much what I was thinking... What I meant by 'Britain will be one hellishly empty country,' since everyone will get deported.
Holy obvious, Batman!
Also, about the African dictators, they aren't suspected of having nukes (Kim Jong-il anyone?).
Okay buddy, lets see the definition of Archaic:
So judging by the context of class you're using, you fail..
If you're going by the archaic form of the meaning "Class", your views are obsolete to todays views so that's why you fail. Your views are also fascist, which is another big fail.
I was referring to the American $, not the English £. Maybe in Gayland (Oops, I mean England) a million dollars isn't much but here in America, someone with a Million dollars is the Lower-Upper "class".. A million dollars would be a dream come true to a LOT of Americans..
But anyways, if you think that bringing up valid points is spam, you shouldn't even be in this forum debating.
It's only fair that people who make profit of others work are taxed more than than the rest. After all if it was so fucking bad to be rich, they could just fucking stop being rich, after all nobody is asking them to take the workers profit. The overclass is getting all the cream but it's not enough for them, they want more and more, infact they can't get enougth and no means are too cruel to reach the goal of infinite whealth. Capitalism is Slavery, Slavery is evil, Capitalism is evil, Rich People are slavemasters, Slavemasters are evil, Rich People are evil.