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[2015-3-11. : 12:10 am]  Roy -- Sure. Other than "archival purposes", name a reason why SEN should host unprotectors, and I'll tell you why SEN shouldn't host a super protector.[2015-3-11. : 12:10 am] jjf28 -- while doing a generally good job, he definitely wasn't totally exaustive[2015-3-11. : 12:10 am]  Sand Wraith -- RoyRoy shouted: Sand Wraith Fundamentally, the arguments of allowing unprotectors is the same as disallowing a "super protector", with the exception of accessibility. I don't see this. Could you demonstrate this?[2015-3-11. : 12:09 am] jjf28 -- AzraelAzrael shouted: Just one individual who was clearly out of the loop. suggesting roy was perfect in his analysis and all further discussion is completely redundant[2015-3-11. : 12:09 am] Roy -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Roy Of course not! Why would I be? Fundamentally, the arguments of allowing unprotectors is the same as disallowing a "super protector", with the exception of accessibility.[2015-3-11. : 12:08 am] Azrael -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Roy Of course not! Why would I be? Of course not, since you don't have any content that any protected content that anyone would ever steal.[2015-3-11. : 12:08 am] Sand Wraith -- AzraelAzrael shouted: No, you're going nuts. I'm stating objective facts. What objective fact that I haven't refuted have you stated?[2015-3-11. : 12:08 am] Sand Wraith -- RoyRoy shouted: Would you be opposed to the release of a protector that beats all existing unprotectors, Sand Wraith? Of course not! Why would I be?[2015-3-11. : 12:07 am] Roy -- Would you be opposed to the release of a protector that beats all existing unprotectors, Sand Wraith?[2015-3-11. : 12:07 am] Sand Wraith -- I'm just surprised by how angry you appear. I'm literally just suggesting discussing it over again and you're going nuts over this.[2015-3-11. : 12:07 am] Azrael -- We should host that too, since we have a long history of Catholic members. Makes sense.[2015-3-11. : 12:06 am] Sand Wraith -- So uh, apparently the Catholic church has control and produces marriage certificates of homosexual people?[2015-3-11. : 12:05 am] Sand Wraith -- AzraelAzrael shouted: SW is just one of those people always looking for a cause. I'm sure he'd sing a different tune if the Catholics were releasing a program that let them view and edit the marriage certificates of homosexuals. If I were a person always looking for a cause, is it something that is essentially negative?[2015-3-11. : 12:05 am] Azrael -- "Don't worry! Even if we change it to something you don't like, you'll still have full control over your actual relationship! What difference does it make to you?!"[2015-3-11. : 12:05 am] Azrael -- SW is just one of those people always looking for a cause. I'm sure he'd sing a different tune if the Catholics were releasing a program that let them view and edit the marriage certificates of homosexuals.[2015-3-11. : 12:04 am] Sand Wraith -- AzraelAzrael shouted: Roy already linked to the relevant thread. Nothing changed, and nothing will change. Incredibly, the couple people obsessed with this who don't even make maps might have to somehow survive the fact that some program they have won't be hosted at some website they visit. And I already mentioned that I've revisited the thread. And evidently, something has changed if I changed my position. Apart from that trivial fact, it also is a fact that SEN is one of the last websites with a dedicated SCBW portion.[2015-3-11. : 12:01 am] Azrael -- Roy already linked to the relevant thread. Nothing changed, and nothing will change. Incredibly, the couple people obsessed with this who don't even make maps might have to somehow survive the fact that some program they have won't be hosted at some website they visit.[2015-3-11. : 12:01 am] Sand Wraith -- Roy: On (3): while I agree that it is disrespectful to some degree, and I agree that that's what mappers used to do when coming to SEN, I don't think this is as applicable anymore (nor was it in the past). SEN is one of the last SCBW-centric mapping and modding sites, and I feel there is responsibility to provide opportunity for discourse, including allowing incoming mappers to understand SEN's position (if it does take one, as a community), why it provides or not unprotectors.[2015-3-10. : 11:57 pm] Azrael -- RoyRoy shouted: Azrael Ad hobgoblin, I believe is the name for that fallacy. Lmfao.[2015-3-10. : 11:57 pm]  Moose -- RoyRoy shouted: Azrael Ad hobgoblin, I believe is the name for that fallacy. I thought ad hobgoblins were a type of malware[2015-3-10. : 11:56 pm] Roy -- AzraelAzrael shouted: You're disgusting. Ad hobgoblin, I believe is the name for that fallacy.[2015-3-10. : 11:56 pm] Sand Wraith -- AzraelAzrael shouted: You're disgusting. I'm sory to hear that, I largely respect most of your positions.[2015-3-10. : 11:55 pm] Sand Wraith -- AzraelAzrael shouted: Sand Wraith It's not a strawman, since I wasn't arguing against anything you said. Maybe you should look up the names of other logical fallacies so you use the right one. Okay then: disingenious, slanderous assertion of my position.[2015-3-10. : 11:55 pm] Roy -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: On the other hand, throughout these last 2 years, it seems you've exclusively remained positioned only to care about your maps and their protection. @Roy: Admittedly, your post was one that I generally skimmed, but I'll look at it again. You'll notice that Con #2 is also listed under Pros.[2015-3-10. : 11:54 pm] Azrael -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Azrael This is a pretty disgusting strawman. I've already pointed out that all I want is to re-open the topic of discussion. I'm indicating my interest in reviewing the thoughts of others 2 years later, which pretty clearly demonstrates I'm not interested solely in myself. It's not a strawman, since I wasn't arguing against anything you said. Maybe you should look up the names of other logical fallacies so you use the right one.[2015-3-10. : 11:54 pm] Roy -- I want to know what has changed in the last two years that would significantly change the opinions of either side of the argument.[2015-3-10. : 11:54 pm] Sand Wraith -- On the other hand, throughout these last 2 years, it seems you've exclusively remained positioned only to care about your maps and their protection. @Roy: Admittedly, your post was one that I generally skimmed, but I'll look at it again.[2015-3-10. : 11:54 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- "1.) Split sections/section stacing: sections are split by the protector such that starcraft compiles them back into the original section." While it's ultimately pointless.. I just want to say SC doesn't "compile" the split sections, it just happens to load them in to a non-static list (UNIT, THG2, TRIG) or just writes them to the same buffer (MTXM, FORC, STR)  [2015-3-10. : 11:53 pm] jjf28 -- AzraelAzrael shouted: jjf28 That's perfectly accessible; the two times in the last six years that someone wanted help recovering their map, they got it. hardly changes the point[2015-3-10. : 11:53 pm] Sand Wraith -- AzraelAzrael shouted: He's just making shit up, he doesn't care about what's true. It's "I want X, I don't care about anyone else, or reality, etc". This is a pretty disgusting strawman. I've already pointed out that all I want is to re-open the topic of discussion. I'm indicating my interest in reviewing the thoughts of others 2 years later, which pretty clearly demonstrates I'm not interested solely in myself.[2015-3-10. : 11:52 pm] Azrael -- Except I create example maps for other people, including systems that aren't in any other maps.[2015-3-10. : 11:52 pm] Azrael -- RoyRoy shouted: Those that are passionate about learning by example should be creating example maps instead of encouraging people to open up the works of others. Oh hey, that's what I do.[2015-3-10. : 11:51 pm] Sand Wraith -- RoyRoy shouted: Sand Wraith If you read my post, you'd see I mentioned it was from a personal viewpoint. Yes, I'm just critiquing your personal viewpoint.[2015-3-10. : 11:51 pm] Roy -- Those that are passionate about learning by example should be creating example maps instead of encouraging people to open up the works of others.[2015-3-10. : 11:49 pm] Roy -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Roy I would additionally add that what you write as (2) in "CONS" is not cross-applicable to every individual. If you read my post, you'd see I mentioned it was from a personal viewpoint.[2015-3-10. : 11:49 pm] Azrael -- He's just making shit up, he doesn't care about what's true. It's "I want X, I don't care about anyone else, or reality, etc".[2015-3-10. : 11:48 pm] Roy -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Roy Yes, I've read through the first set of pages, kind of skimmed the last few. But then you said circumstances have changed and it should be considered again. If you read my post, you'd see it not to be the case.[2015-3-10. : 11:48 pm] Sand Wraith -- RoyRoy shouted: Oh hey, I weighed into that conversation way back when. I even listed the pros and cons: http://www.staredit.net/341998/ I would additionally add that what you write as (2) in "CONS" is not cross-applicable to every individual.[2015-3-10. : 11:48 pm] jjf28 -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: jjf28 Doesn't OSMAP blank the triggers anyway? You're not learning from that. i don't think so, it just reveals the blanked comments that result from compression[2015-3-10. : 11:47 pm] Azrael -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Azrael sure we do, we want to improve accessibility for people trying to learn or perform recovery, we just don't want it to be used more by map stealers That's perfectly accessible; the two times in the last six years that someone wanted help recovering their map, they got it.[2015-3-10. : 11:47 pm] Dem0n -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: The first five google search results for "osmap starcraft" link you to the program. We don't need to upload it here. It's not going to make us popular [2015-3-10. : 11:47 pm] Sand Wraith -- RoyRoy shouted: Oh hey, I weighed into that conversation way back when. I even listed the pros and cons: http://www.staredit.net/341998/ Yes, I've read through the first set of pages, kind of skimmed the last few.[2015-3-10. : 11:47 pm] Roy -- Oh hey, I weighed into that conversation way back when. I even listed the pros and cons: http://www.staredit.net/341998/[2015-3-10. : 11:47 pm] Dem0n -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Azrael sure we do, we want to improve accessibility for people trying to learn or perform recovery, we just don't want it to be used more by map stealers Doesn't OSMAP blank the triggers anyway? You're not learning from that.[2015-3-10. : 11:46 pm] Sand Wraith -- AzraelAzrael shouted: Sand Wraith WE DONT WANT TO IMPROVE ACCESSIBILITY Who is we?[2015-3-10. : 11:46 pm] jjf28 -- AzraelAzrael shouted: Sand Wraith WE DONT WANT TO IMPROVE ACCESSIBILITY sure we do, we want to improve accessibility for people trying to learn or perform recovery, we just don't want it to be used more by map stealers[2015-3-10. : 11:45 pm] Sand Wraith -- No, I literally just did google and got OSMAP 2, I just think SEN should reconsider hosting it for archival purposes, given that it's a fairly large website relative to others.[2015-3-10. : 11:45 pm] Dem0n -- Who even goes to the DLDB in search of that shit? I don't even use the DLDB; I've been traumatized by its past shittiness and now avoid it at all costs.[2015-3-10. : 11:45 pm] Azrael -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: That doesn't improve the accessibility for anyone who wants it who doesn't have it though. WE DONT WANT TO IMPROVE ACCESSIBILITY |
