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[2015-3-10. : 11:44 pm]  Dem0n -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: The first five google search results for "osmap starcraft" link you to the program. We don't need to upload it here. It's not going to make us popular [2015-3-10. : 11:44 pm]  jjf28 -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: How is your creative control affected in any way? not at all[2015-3-10. : 11:44 pm] Sand Wraith -- That doesn't improve the accessibility for anyone who wants it who doesn't have it though.[2015-3-10. : 11:43 pm] Azrael -- Making it available for the general public to download doesn't help anyone in that regard.[2015-3-10. : 11:43 pm] Azrael -- Don't worry dude, plenty of us have the program. It's not going anywhere. Your worries are for naught.[2015-3-10. : 11:43 pm] Sand Wraith -- No, I'm just laying out my position lol. I haven't done it or anything, I just think the topic should be opened up again.[2015-3-10. : 11:42 pm] Azrael -- "I just personally think that my personal entitlement to your work is more important than your presumed entitlement to your work."[2015-3-10. : 11:41 pm] Sand Wraith -- I just personally think that the archival intent of having OSMAP 1 and 2 on SEN is more important than your presumed entitlement to your map.[2015-3-10. : 11:41 pm] Azrael -- Either you have the permission of the mapmaker, or you don't, in which case you can fuck off with your sense of entitlement.[2015-3-10. : 11:40 pm] Azrael -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: I don't think it's right for SEN, even as low-activity as it is, not to have a copy of such an important part of its history. It's not a part of its history. It has literally never been supported. Maybe you're thinking of Maplantis.[2015-3-10. : 11:40 pm] Sand Wraith -- No? You've ignored the part about how preventing the upload of map unprotectors affects anyone who wants access to it for whatever reason.[2015-3-10. : 11:38 pm] Azrael -- How does it affect me to have my protected maps hosted alongside map unprotectors, at a site that many people only uploaded maps to because it has always been the policy to not support stripping map protection?[2015-3-10. : 11:38 pm] Sand Wraith -- I don't think it's right for SEN, even as low-activity as it is, not to have a copy of such an important part of its history.[2015-3-10. : 11:38 pm] Sand Wraith -- And specifically, applying this across SEN's policy to affect people other than you.[2015-3-10. : 11:37 pm] Sand Wraith -- Just as before, you are claiming your moral rights as a creator over the moral rights of a consumer.[2015-3-10. : 11:36 pm] Azrael -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Uh, and how does your creative control affected? That's not a proper English sentence. Can you say it in a way that makes sense?[2015-3-10. : 11:36 pm] Azrael -- Cecil hasn't made a map in like 10 years. Wtf does that have to do with anything?[2015-3-10. : 11:35 pm] Sand Wraith -- No, it has definitely changed, since for one, Cecil doesn't seem to visit anymore, neither does a few of the other posters there.[2015-3-10. : 11:35 pm] Azrael -- "dead as hell" is as subjective now as it was then; the level of activity has not changed.[2015-3-10. : 11:35 pm] Azrael -- That was the case the last time this came up. Your personal level of interest in playing SCBW does not factor into the equation at any point.[2015-3-10. : 11:34 pm] Sand Wraith -- AzraelAzrael shouted: If you want to host it so badly, make your own website. Well, there are lots of ways to make mirrors, but I think SEN should have a record of OSMAP and copies of it accessible for view.[2015-3-10. : 11:33 pm] Azrael -- "[Some of] the contexts have changed" is not meaningful; WHAT contexts?[2015-3-10. : 11:33 pm] Sand Wraith -- I... agree? All I'm saying is that there are new ones besides the existing ones.[2015-3-10. : 11:33 pm] Azrael -- No, "the arguments haven't changed" is not the same thing: NONE of the arguments have changed.[2015-3-10. : 11:32 pm] Sand Wraith -- "The arguments haven't changed" applies just as equally. Pretty much no one but you and Dem0n argued against it (besides myself).[2015-3-10. : 11:32 pm] Azrael -- You could literally say that to anyone, regarding any argument, about anything.[2015-3-10. : 11:31 pm] Sand Wraith -- The arguments haven't changed but their respective contexts have, and they don't exist in a vacuum wrt new arguments to refute them.[2015-3-10. : 11:31 pm] Azrael -- If you don't like how someone made their map, you can feel free to make your own.[2015-3-10. : 11:30 pm] Azrael -- The arguments haven't changed. The fact remains it doesn't help anyone to bring that shit here.[2015-3-10. : 11:28 pm] Sand Wraith -- And no, I disagree with that "capability" point because it assumes too much of the seeker and their intent.[2015-3-10. : 11:27 pm] Dem0n -- If you've unprotected maps, good for you. That means anyone else wanting to do the same is just as capable of finding the programs to do that.[2015-3-10. : 11:25 pm] Sand Wraith -- I've unprotected multiplayer-only maps to play by myself because B.net is/has been dead or was inaccessible, and to make edits to make a map single-player.[2015-3-10. : 11:24 pm] Sand Wraith -- While I'm still sympathetic to arguments regarding attribution, forcing players to play with only 1 life or whatever is a pretty gross idea.[2015-3-10. : 11:23 pm] Sand Wraith -- I've also realized that the map protector and creator is explicitly imposing a certain experience upon the player through map protection.[2015-3-10. : 11:22 pm] Sand Wraith -- It's been more than two years, I think it's a pretty good time to revisit it.[2015-3-10. : 11:19 pm] Sand Wraith -- Since it is already available elsewhere, I actually think it's better that we provide a mirror because we can keep a record of all of SC's tools and so forth.[2015-3-10. : 10:49 pm] Dem0n -- The first five google search results for "osmap starcraft" link you to the program. We don't need to upload it here. It's not going to make us popular [2015-3-10. : 10:46 pm]  Moose -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: where'd that topic get moved too ne ways... Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Mini Moose 2707 Why is this? http://www.staredit.net/topic/15638/[2015-3-10. : 10:46 pm] Sand Wraith -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Sand Wraith No, after the most recent (2013?) rehashing of the debate, SEN will still not host unprotectors Why is this?[2015-3-10. : 10:41 pm] Moose -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Was there ever multiple versions of OSMAP? Yes, there is OSMAP and OSMAP 2[2015-3-10. : 10:40 pm] Moose -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Should I upload OSMAP? No, after the most recent (2013?) rehashing of the debate, SEN will still not host unprotectors[2015-3-10. : 10:37 pm] jjf28 -- probably, it does us no good not having it here (seeing as it's a few clicks in any direction), just include a notice that it's for educational purposes and SEN doesn't support map stealing |
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