I'd say any structural engineer (i.e. MillenniumArmy) is a more reliable source than a non-engineer (i.e. most conspiracy theorists) on what causes buildings to collapse.

Still. Unless you have all of the origional planners and everything, you can't be right or wrong, or know if you are or aren't. But you can't deny the possibility that something assisted their ultimate downfall.

Any engineer is going to look at the schematics the same way, whether or not they're the original planners.


Why?

Because science cannot prove or disprove something that is based on faith, which is the only think that darkling has left in his argument. (Faith is not religious in this case.)

Agreed.

Yeah, they'll look at it the same way, but the point I'd like to make, is that they weren't the individual workers or planners of the building itsself. We don't know if they might have left something out, or remembered to do something when it was too late.. Or even faulty building supplies. Maybe they were built faulty with the intent of falling on a later day? Who knows.

And why? Well, the reminder of the buildings resembled a planned demolition, with the central support structuring cut diagonally. I really don't think that that could happen the same way for all the buildings that fell.

Now you're just getting ridiculous. The people who designed some of the tallest buildings in the world wouldn't have knowingly left something out, or used bad supplies...


Examples that haven't been disproved, please.

You're talking about some of the best engineers around the world. Becoming part of a team who designs some of the world's greatest superstructure's is like the ultimate dream for any civil/structural engineer. Most structural engineers only do mundane stuff like garage trusses, small houses, office buildings, etc. So when these engineers design and analyze the buildings, they make drawings, computer models, and calculations and store them in their respective construction/structural engineering firms.

And most of all, they are literally putting their lives on the line. If something goes wrong structurally or during construction, these people will get fired and lose their licenses as professional engineers. When they stamp the drawings with their approval seal, it's basically the same as swearing or making an oath not to lie or something during court. You fuck up even the smallest thing, it's game over. And nobody wants this to happen, that's why we have some of the best engineers working on such huge projects and that they double check their work over and over again.

With that said, when the towers are destroyed through some unnatural phenomena, the first thing people will want to do is look at the construction firm who built the towers. Then they will look at the structural firm and check their drawings. We were taught this in our engineering classes, that whenever engineering firms design something, they always keep the original plans/drawings stored somewhere. And if shortly after the attacks, people investigated these drawings and found huge errors, we would've heard about it literally within a week or so. But as many sources, such as CAFG's one, they say that the structural should be able to withstand an airplane crash alone (which indirectly means that nothing is wrong with the structure's design). But remember like i said, these buildings were designed to withstand the natural forces and environment, like stresses, strains, axial/shear/torsional forces, dead loads, and the really complicated and sophisticated nature of live loads. They don't factor in huge airplanes accompanied by hot burning fire into their drawings (if they did, the project would be much costlier and the walls would literally have to be made of something like 100 feet of reinforced concrete or something. And note that reinforced concrete is much stronger than steel, which explains why at the pentagon, the hole made by the plane seems to small to be of that of a boeing airplane.)

Yes it can, and I've said in the simplest way how it was possible in my previous posts.

Well done millenium. i talked to my social studies teacher today, and after reading your post, i am pretty sure that there were not bombs in the building. After reading other refutal essays, and posts on different forums... im pretty sure that there was something going on with 9/11 though. If you watch the videos, there are many contradictions. The videos report that bin laden had complete and total ties with the united states government, but they also say that he had nothing to do with it. Then they say that bin laden could have done it because he was a cia asset, but condradict themselves by saying he had no motive do have anything to do with 9/11. i dont know if i can rely on the videos as a source, But i do see a definite correlation between Larry Silverstien and the profit to be made from the 9/11 incident.

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On my way back from school, there was this guy holding a sign that said "9/11 Truth". I had a nice talk with him, proved him wrong in many issues. He kept bringing these ridiculous things up. After a while all his responds were "You're brain washed man" & "You're just a student, what would you know?". Ridiculous, I just left him.

You proved him wrong, what side of the arguement was he on..? What things did he bring up?

He was saying things about how the government planned 9/11.

Doesn't Bin Laden still deny involvement with 9/11 to this day?

Then why is he hiding? Why not just die from our execution? HMM!? Planning some major attack!?

Sometimes, the world is just a little... fucked up.

It's governments that have problems that they want us to support. The average person shouldn't have beef with anyone halfway across the globe.
(If you do, your probably the biggest jerk I'd know, picking on people you don't really even know.)

If there was any planned demolition, either we would be hearing protests by the people who works inside the World Trade Centers or by actually having everyone and everything evacuated, leaving it empty inside the both Towers.

Planning some major attack? The wake 9/11 incident made sure all airports establish to find any smuggling, weapons and explosives. Hijacking in the airplane is unlikely since the door to the cockpit should be secured and locked. So their only way of establishing a terrorist attack would be on ground or owning an airplane of their own...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_al-Qaeda_attacks


Anyways, Al Qaeda are dumbfucks, that's all I have to say.

How are some cave dwellers going to get arms, take a plane, then drive them into buildings when they've been in caves all their lives.

Scapegoat is the only thing I can say.


You do hear about them, they just dont go on the government controlled media networks and are called deniable evidance by the government the second it surfaces.

And I KNOW I dont have to say this buy, half that stuff you guys say, the government told you to say based off news and stuff the days and weeks during and after the 9/11 event. Bring evidance from being there, not off of what was told TO you. (I know some of you understand the concept of that one game where a message gets passed around and 9 outta 10 times gets jumbled up then is wrong.)

Seriously guys, flaming each other isnt how you get the arguement in motion, everyone here has a rightous opinion and no facts. So how can you say what is true or false?

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I never said anything about another plane attack. There are many other ways you know. And just because you are stuck in a cave (if that is true), doesn't mean you can't plan things out or get out of the cave once in a while.

No no, on TV i watched a show on the military channel about a raid some marines did over in iraq or afghanastan a while back, like a year ago, they found detailed instructions pamphlets on how to make an airport metal detector, and they found all sorts of equipment to try to 'smuggle' through their makeshift detector to test to see if they could smuggle things onto a real airplane. That means bombs, they had all sorts of explosives and weaponry all hidden inside a medium sized building.

These people aren't stupid, they just have a totally different view and different belief. Someone once told me that America educates half of our middle eastern enemies, half of the educated ones. This means they may live in amrecia and go to college, only to become educated, and afterwards move to their native country.

These people have even created yellowcake, if we hadn't stopped them they could have nukes by now

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

Now we need to worry about Iran..