I agree with everything you said devilisk. You people analyze movies way too much, and you suck at it. Esponeo, you are RETARDED. The reason Two Face went after Gordan's family was because Gordan's men were supposed to save Rachel but they were too late. He wanted to show Gordan what it feels like to tell his loved one that everything will be okay, even though he knows that it won't. Just like devilisk said, pay some attention to the movie.

You're friends are retarded. They'd like to think that he was still alive but he isn't and they haven't given any indication that he is. (They had a funeral that's pretty dang clear)

That was the point

Well you really should have.

What, would you rather it be like Spiderman? Spiderman is cheesy, obnoxious and such a wiener.

No he didn't. Did you even pay attention to the movie at all? Batman didn't break at all.

Maroni tips the cops off, not Batman.

Actually the pulses are clearly coming from the fake hostages.

The whole thing was the epic battle and the whole city was their battlefield.

You apparently don't understand the thesis of the movie. If you had half a brain you would realize how fitting the end was.

Spiderman 3 and SW3 don't have a thing on batman.

No he doesn't. Don't be a moron, he gives everyone a 50/50 chance because he realizes that chaos and chance is the only thing fair in the world, as it is completely unbiased.

No he wanted revenge, and wanted Gordon to go through what he did because he considered Gordon in fault for not keeping corruption out of his unit.

And he still holds to letting chance dictate life.

Batman wasn't pushed out, he slipped from a lower height, he breaks a beam on the way down (which would lighten the land) and has armor

It wasn't that long and if you understood any other part of the movie then you would appreciate it. It completed the psychological spectrum to the movie in an excellent conclusion.

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I can't even believe how incompetent you are about the whole thing. They weren't parallels either. The script was great, the only crappy lines belonged to the cop in the passenger's seat of the vehicle transporting Dent.

You want a terrible script, then go to Spiderman123

Must be your idiot friendsJust because it wasn't what you thought doesn't make it bad. He played his part, what more was he going to do?

That doesn't make it racist. Of your whole post this is the most disgustingly presumptuous. The point of him being Chinese is that he couldn't possibly be extradited.

P.S. I agree with devilesk.

I thought The Dark Knight was pretty sweet.

I'm not going to read the long pages of controversy, but I thought it was an excellent film, one of the few films I have seen deserving of an 'A' rating (I tend to rate films on a letter scale).

'Enjoyable' is not a term I could ever apply to The Dark Knight, for it was a lot deeper and darker than that. Batman Begins is more rewatchable because it is simple and just a lot of fun to watch, but The Dark Knight has some aspects of frightening realism that really chill to the bone. People like the Joker really do exist, and Alfred provides a first-rate metaphor ('Did you catch him?' 'Yes.' 'How?' 'We burned the forest down.'). Heath Ledger gives a spellbinding performance as the Joker, easily convincing me of his psychotic nature and hearkening back to such masterpiece performances such as Peter Lorre as Hans Beckert in M (1931).

If the film had one weakness, Harvey Dent's fall into darkness was very poorly cataloged, but it could be seen as understandable nonetheless and at 2 hours and 32 minutes, critics were going to get antsy if it was much longer (I, on the other hand, don't mind long movies).

Oh and to dumbducky, make a point to see Batman Begins. It earns only an 'A-' in my book, but it is still one of the most awesome action movies of all time.

Movies are meant to be watched, not analyzed. If we did, it would be rather boring after a while and ruin any chance of wanting to see it again. And everyone says that if Ledger hadn't died, people wouldn't be glorifying his performance... He portrayed the Joker PERFECTLY in my own opinion and even kept that twist that this series has on the Batman lore (that being the whole more towards realism thing).

And I still feel that the movie should have ended for Two-Face right after the hospital had blown up.

I liked it alot, but certain scenes didn't feel very well crafted, and it seemed at times to try and be subtle inbetween scenes like A GODDAMN TRACKER TRAILER FLIPPING OVER AND EXPLODING.

There were some moments where the action become alittle dulling (and deafening, the soundtrack was seeemingly heavy thudding on steel oil drums 80% of the movie) and there was just scene after scene of "WOW!". Still, it managed to really get you in the gut and twist you around, and it really did live up to a Darker Batman (I was actually alittle surprised).

Very good, not perfect. It was a very visceral movie, I don't know if it would hold up a second time through.

As for Ledger, I would've loved that performance if he had:
Not died.
Not been in an Batman film.
Not been wearing weird, bizarre make-up.

It was so sleazy, it basically defined the movie. It was like taking some of the nastiest parts of the Penguin in the second Batman (Tim Burton one) and merging it with Frank Miller's Batman, and giving it a little Hannibal Lector for good measure.

As for Bale, I liked his Batman alright, I didn't like his Bruce Wayne as much. I think they did a decent job getting Batman into the fore, but it was obvious there where parts when he just slipped into the background. He then became another series of walking fight scenes like all the other comic book movies. The villains always seemed to have much more style than Batman, and it's a difficult thing to work around. On that aspect, I think they did alright, but it was obvious they could've done better (for one thing, Batman successfully intimidates ... NO ONE THROUGHOUT THE FILM). It did bother me that no one reacted to a huge, powerful man dressed like a Bat landing on top of people's cars didn't freak ANYONE out, even if he was well-known.

Now, this film, overall, did a nice job on developed it's characters (I thought Dent was alittle weak, but like Bale he had some nice moments, particularly with Two-Face). The overall film worked, had some pacing issues, but worked, and was enjoyable, if gut-wrenching. Definitely not a Bat-movie for the Bat-kids. =P

Oh, but the 1989 film remains my favorite, its freakish cartoony nature has always won me over.

QFT

It's sort of a fact that China and Chinese investors hold trillions of dollars of US debt, both federal and private

I loved it, and I've actually gone back to see it 2 more times to try to catch some of the more subtle references they make (i.e. the short introduction of the Riddler, or Morgan Freeman remarking that the suit will be able to handle "cats"). I thought Batman Begins was awesome when I first saw it - though I did get completely burnt out by it after seeing it soooooooo many times. This is one of the rare times where I believe a sequel is a helluva lot better than the original.

Where's the riddler?

Forum topics on works of art are supposed to give a venue for opinions, not rampant fanboyism.

I actually liked the movie a lot.

I don't see any rampant fanboyism. And too bad "fanboyism" is just someone's opinion.

I'm just saying it's alittle ridiculous that you expect everyone's opinion of this movie to be "OMFG IT WAS AWESUME AND HAD NO FLAWS AT ALL AND I WILL JUST SAY I LUVD DIS PART".

Well, whatever. It's not a big deal.

And it's ridiculous that you think that's what I expect everyone's opinion to be.

In the bank robbery scene. The "Bank Manager" with the shotgun (played by William Fichtner) had a name-tag that read "E. Nigma." Edward Nigma was the Riddler.

The Joker also puts a gas grenade in his mouth at the end of the scene that emits green smoke, perhaps another smaller hint.

Oh wow I didn't see that at all. I just knew the guy was from Prison Break

It's odd that no one on the internet seems to have noticed it though. I tried to google more info on it but there's nothing about the Bank Manager's nametag. Nevermind, there's some discussion on William Fichtner's IMDB page about his role in the Dark Knight. People also think its a setup for the Riddler. Haven't seen the nametag yet though.

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Heh, I thought it was strange that they cast a fairly well known actor in a 2 minute scene.

http://normgregory.com/2008/07/10/the-dark-knight-prologue/
It has the whole beginning scene. Can you point out where it shows the name tag?

A couple of my friends pointed out that they could have the Riddler be like a Joker copycat, like they did with the Batman imposters in the beginning.

I just watched the whole opening scene, and at the point when the manager is shooting at the robbers, you can clearly see his chest and tell that he isn't wearing any nametag.

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