how to make lurkers at a certain location stay burrowed and attack without unburrowing.

Afaik there's no real way.

You could try moving back though. But you couldn't do it constantly or it wouldn't attack, so i guess not.

Blinding it might prevent the unburrow, but it would only return fire in this case, not open fire first. You could place unit with a small sight radius, like a immobilized ling or a burrowed hyd without burrow tech or something there to expand the sight range of 1 of the blinded lurker. This would hopefully enable the lurker to open fire first.

You could implement a burrow detection that orders the lurk to move back if unburrowed.

All these ideas are only experimental workarounds. Use at your own risk.

You could make the computer that owns the lurker become allied to the players if they get too far away, then make it enemy again if they get close, I haven't tested it, but it might work.

If they're owned by an human player and burrowing is disabled you can preplace the burrowed lurkers or create them burrowed by the create units with properties trigger action. They won't be able to unburrow.

It might also work if burrowing is unresearched.

You can't preplace or create units in the burrowed state for players that do not have it researched , although he could create/preplace them for a player who does have it researched, and then give it to them, and then that would work, but I assume he means a computer player, since humans don't automatically unburrow their lurkers to follow enemy units.

already solved.
http://www.staredit.net/?file=583

Take a look at the trigs, I think kenoli just gave the burrowed lurker to a neutral player.

Edit: looks like he gives it to an Unused player, since they defaultly have the same AI as a player.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 19 2008, 3:51 am by rockz.

If you start the lurker out owned by a computer player with burrow researched and then give it to the player who has it set to disabled, it won't be able to unburrow. I forget if neutral has burrow researched by default since I'm too lazy to check rockz's example (I assume it does).

Well, I think Kenoli just gives the unit to a neutral player when the players get out of reach, so it doesn't follow, it's a good method, since it makes the lurker lose all other commands when it's given.

I just downloaded the map and all he did was use the insane Zerg AI script.

Maybe that AI makes them keep it burrowed?

and then give them to player 3 (unused).

Wasn't Lurker an exception for that rule? Since he must burrow to attack he can burrow and unburrow without the tech.
Never heard that a melee player had to research burrow tech to attack...

OK, just tested it for humans:
Enabled (or researched) => lurker can be created burrowed and you can burrow and unburrow them
Disabled => lurker cannot be created burrowed and you can't burrow or unburrow them
That's how you'd expect it. Lurker is like heroes that always have their spells enabled except whan you completely disable it.

and computers:
Enabled (or researched) => lurker can be created burrowed and it burrows and unburrows
Disabled => lurker cannot be created burrowed and it can't burrow BUT IT CAN unburrow!

Conclusion: There's no way to prevent unburrowing for sure for active computer players. If a unused slot is enough then use it, otherwise check the workarounds we presented.

Post has been edited 4 time(s), last time on Aug 8 2008, 11:03 pm by NudeRaider.

create a unit for a computer with properties, burrowed.
disable the player's burrow ability.
give the lurker to the player.
or just put some P12 burrowed lurkers and give it to them.
after testing - doesnt work when computer's burrow is disabled.
doesnt work for computers (they will unburrow)

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Jul 19 2008, 3:27 pm by FredFredBurger_.

Did you just contradict Nude's statement, Fred?

NAWW NVM

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 19 2008, 3:33 pm by FredFredBurger_.

Maybe its possible to move and move back slow enough that he can fire and fast enough that he can't unburrow.

He would keep losing his target, besides, I think the giving it to a neutral computer when a player isn't around is a good idea.

Well the last time i built maps was before an year or so. And i have forgot alot of things. Thx all for the help. Wasnt there a alot easier way with the "run ai script / run ai scrip at a location"? I made a map back in time with this option but i dont remember which script i had choosen. But it worked perfectly

When there's no player around the lurk won't unburrow anyway if you apply no ai script.

To keep a lurker (or other unit) burrowed?
Then pls dig out your old map and tell us the news. Not all effects of AIs are known. Maybe you found a very interesting one.

Only lurks stayed burrowed. I reinstalled the windows many times since then =(