Because an anti-hack ruins the game also (usually by dropping the hacker). Instead, just nullify the hack by doing things via triggers. It will be a while until a hack will come out that sees death counts (that are important).

Selecting units doesn't do you any good, which I doubt you can do. The CC's are tightly packed and they're owned by P1, the only unit's you'll be able to select are your own units. You still won't be able to tell who owns the unit even if you do select it.

What be wrong with this method?

Nope, you can still select other player's units under the floating CC regardless of what player owns the CC.

I see.

Actually you don't need to subtract the whole REST of the numbers. You have to subtract only the powers of two corresponding to higher digits than the digit you want to check, because all powers of two corresponding to lower digits overall won't give you the power of two you're cheking.

Say, you choose a king. That means you could immideately check if the counter is at least 4096 because the other powers of two wont give you 4096 even combined alltogether.

That way you dont need to specifically check if the card was drawn before. The presence or absence of the power of two supplies you with all necessary information. You just subtracting the power of two if it presents in the number. If not, you're going to the next digit and so on till you reach the power of two which presence you are going to check. You dont even need to remember specifically what powers of two were subtracted to return them, you're just remembering the whole subtracted sum (by constantly adding powers of two subtracted on each step to the temporary death counter) and adding the whole sum to the number after the work is done.

You're randomizing what card exactly should be drawn and if there is no such card you have to rerandomize. In other words, your outcomes are the exact cards to be drawn. You can use another tactics of drawing cards. I suggest randomizing the ordinal number of the card from the top of the counter to be drawn. This will always guarantee that one card would be always drawn from the deck.


There is another way of representing the deck (as a set not as the list) of cards via locations. You need 52 locations each representing one card. Then you need a unit representing the deck and player's hands. For exaple I will use the command center (CC). Let's assume neutral (Player 12) CC represents the deck. All 52 locations are initially stacked on the neutral CC. When you want to draw the card you just moving the location representing that exactly card from the neutral CC to the player's CC (representing that player's hand).

You can also represent cards by stacked burrowed zerg units, distinguishing cards by the number of stacked units (one unit = K, two units = Q and so on). If that burrowed units are owned by another player there is no way to select them all at once (even if hacker is able to see them) and hence no way to understand what the card it is.

Never say never. There is an interesting way to represent and randomize a list in starcaft. For easy understanding let's assume you have 52 different units which are representing the order of the cards (I mean posiotions from first to the fifty second, or in other words "indicies" of an "array"). Cards are represented as locations. To understand what is the position of the card in the "array" you are checking what unit is on that card's location. Initially all cards are preplaced in ascending order from the first unit to the last. To shuffle cards you're using an interesting method of radnomization. You're randomizeing a switch. If it is set you're exchanging the first location with the second. After that is done you're randomizeing the switch once again. If it is set this time you're exchangeing the second location with the third. You're continueing the process till the last card. The fifty second card would be exchanged with the first one. Alas! The deck is shuffled This is a universal way of making and random shuffling permutations in SC.

I am not talking about equiprobability of each outcome. It is not equiprobable, at least because the number of permutations is not the exact degree of two (as far as it is not trivial premutation consisting of two elements) and I am convinced there is no methond of equiprobable randomization which doesn't use rerandomization when the number of outcomes is not the precise power of two.

Heres what I did, even with your crashing units. I brought my screen to the top right corner of the game and inputed the black sheep wall cheat. (Map hack) Then I clicked and dragged to find out where the units were. I didn't pay too much attention to where things were but I could tell what was what. I could only see the units that I owned, without Map hack. If you have the crashing sprites over top of the persons hand, wouldn't that crash the player that owned that hand? If you remove them, or they only show their image once and disappear, couldn't you just turn your Map hack on after a certain time. I know you of all people would of thought of ways around this, or as much as possible, so feel free to be specific.


What about having Arbiters their? Then no matter what map hack, clicking and dragging, with command centers, you wouldn't be able to select the units, only your own.

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Except I said without using units. If you use 52 units, you can randomize their order using just about any method of randomization, and it will act exactly like a deck, and be easier to trigger. Without units, it's much more difficult. I suppose you might set 52 death counters, and set them from 1 to 52 at random, somehow.

Oh well. Good idea. You could have predefined distribution of numbers from 1 to 52 between death counters (for example in ascending order) and then randomly exchange values between them like I do with locations to get random premutation of the initial sequence.

Randomize Switches...

For the outcomes of unused cards have it say
Switch is set (randomized switches)
Switch is set (used or not switches)
Then draw card
Clear switch (used or not switches)

For the outcomes of used cards have it say
Switch is set (randomized switches)
Switch is cleared (used or not switches)
Then repeat randomization selection process switch

This would unfortunately be over 100 triggers, but it would work.

If you do it this way make sure you preserve the triggers.

Except That doesn't represent a truly random sequence of events. Wouldn't that mean it is far more likely that whatever you have set as 1, be near the top?

I wanted to make a texas hold'em game. Having up to 5 units representing cards in the middle, and if you want to see your hand you walk on a beacon and a text will tell you what cards you have in your hand.
I've never seen a texas hold'em map before and the mapdatabase on this site doesn't have it, so i'm not sure if I should start it before I had the chance to play it. My mapping skills aren't too great so the map I'd make would probably be a lot worse than the one that already exists.
Floating command centers look horrible, don't you think? For me it would make the map feel noobish.

I'll keep that one in mind. I think it'll take me some time to trigger such a thing since I can't think of a direct way of triggering that right now.

I think some sort of countdown deathcounter in combination with some switches is random enough, but i'll think about it.

Why does it not represent truly random sequence? It is truly random, but outcomes are not equiprobable. However perciseness is quite good. There is no far more likely outcomes, just some of them are a little bit more likely than the others. I cant say what exactly probabilities are. It is hard to say what numbers will have to be more likely set at a definite position. It is not easy thing to do in general case. You see, there are n! premutations... So it is hard mathematical problem to count probabilities for all of them when using this method. I wonder if one can do it?

I made a Texas Hold'em map.
http://www.staredit.net/topic/32/

This probably wouldn't help very much, the dc's would change randomly and rapidly.

Furthermore, aren't there those stay alive hacks where even if you end the game for them they can stay in the game indefinitely? If so they could still cause a problem and annoy people and stuff. I think waiting through the mere 45 second drop screen isn't that much of an inconvenience if a hacker is being removed from the game.

If the hacker drops, he has succeeded. In some cases, it is imperative that you have a certain number of players. If you don't have that number, the game sucks, and the hacker wins anyway. Not to mention, he just wasted 5 minutes of your life.

It wouldn't work because you could draw the same card twice.