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Don't fix Phoenices. FIX QUEENS. Make them Massive. One little change, affects nothing else since they aren't fast enough to smash forcefields offensively.
Why is it you think that all they do is tie up cost? The reason their overpowered is because the most important resource for Zerg is larva. You use up larva to remake Overlords. You lose larva production when that Queen dies. Now Zerg doesn't have enough units to deal with a Protoss that has made theirs in compliment of Phoenices. Because Protoss units are all stronger for cost.
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The bottom line is, a Protoss is going to need to deal 450 minerals worth of damage, and 350 vespene worth of damage, and gain scouting info in order to make two pheonixes worth the cost.
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At the time when two pheonixes can be made in the early mid game any scouting info gained isn't going to be very significant, and hallucinations could have done the job anyways. By showing pheonixes, you also tell the zerg that you are going to have 450 less minerals, and 350 less vespene to sink into something else. Unless you deal the damage the pheonixes cost somehow, then you're going to be at a loss. I seriously doubt that two pheonixes can ever be worth it. I actually doubt that pheonixes themselves is ever worth it unless the zerg goes for mutalisks.
Killing one Overlord and one Queen drops the Zerg down 5 larva. Putting up a Spore crawler to deter Phoenices puts them behind 6 larva. It adds up. Very, very fast. Phoenices pay for themselves in ZvP obnoxiously easy.
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If queens were massive they would completely nullify protoss FF play, and then all of ZvP would be broken; Protoss relies on force fields throughout the entirety of ZvP until the zerg finally techs to broodlords or ultralisks.
A) Queens are much slower than Ultralisks.
B) Queens die in about 2 seconds to a basic Protoss army of any composition.
C) Forcefields are too strong against Zerg to begin with. Terrans always have transports in their main comp. Protoss always have FF smashers. Zerg have be killed.
Don't attempt to discuss things when you have no idea what you're talking aobut, Cecil.
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