I don't do drugs, especially ecstasy or that like, because my ex boyfriend's father told me that his first experience caused him to hallucinate giant bugs crawling all over him. That basically killed any want to do any psychedelics.

And dicked...perhaps you haven't taken any public speaking classes but its seriously hard to count anything you say as interesting or worth discussing when you're too busy cussing. So shut it.

After about one liter of Pepsi and three hours constantly listening to trance, late at night. That makes me satisfied. I have never taken drugs, nor tasted alcohol, and I wont do so as longs as this works!

You don't have a source on the cigarette thing, yet you're trying to come up with a plausible argument off of hersay from your friend.. Hmm.... Interesting.

And you don't have any proof to your claim of that most drugs are "bad" (again you're going off of hersay or so it seems, due to your lack of reliable sources of information to the subject) except "self-evidence". The only "self-evidence" that you have is hersay (so far, that is) because you've publicly announced that you don't do drugs, and have no backing to your claims.. So how can you tell us they're bad, then claim they're bad with "self-evidence" and not even provide this evidence to your discussion?

Debate doesn't work like that, buddy.

And if you think I Ad Hominem'ed, then cool. Whatever floats your boat. I don't consider explaining your fault in reasoning an Ad Hominem, but whateva.


Ecstacy != Hallucinogens


Caffeine = Stimulant = Drug

Trance = Drug, too

lol kellimus. I think he means trance is a band name.

Trance is a Genre. I consider it modern classical.

Well im sorry to say but your ex boyfriend's father is a retard.
no E has hallucinogens in it. sorry. there are no LSD in ecstasy.
Dicked? really mature. make another new word.
im too busy cussing get over yourself. i can say what i want when i want where i want. go play more starcraft

Well, actually, no you can't. Not here at least. Not without consequences.

Have you never heard of lacing? ...

well, have fun with life, now that you just ruined it... Not to mention your IQ will take a significant drop (more than it already is... I know it is suprising...)

obviously?
find me a e thats laced with lsd.
please.
look on websites
here trancesafe.com
ecstasydata.org

search google if you have to
please show me when you find a pill that contains LSD in it.
E is mostly made out of MDMA, or MDA, MDE,
sometimes Amphetmine, or Methamphetmine, or Caffine, or Ketamine, or Procaine, or Acetaminophen, or Diphenhydramine, or Pseudo/Ephedrine, or DXM
Ecstasy can contain MDMA mixed with 1-3 of these or all if the presser chooses to make it as so.
None have been found with Heroine, Masculine, or LSD.
Now you've been educated.
Research some more

HERE ARE COMMON MYTHS ABOUT ECSTASY



* Will ecstasy burn holes in my brain?
No, there are already holes in your brain. In fact, this myth is derived from the actual process of ecstasy causing serotonin neurotransmitters to be dumped in mass quantities from the axon terminals in your brain. Studies have been concluded to show that prolonged use of the drug could cause your axon terminals to "dry up" if the supply of serotonin in them has been depleted too many times. However, these studies have been conducted on lab rats, that were administered 720mg (equivalent to 6 pills), injected into the bloodstream, every hour, for eight hours at a time, a dose that even a human, weighing over 200 times the amount of a lab rat could not withstand safely. These tests are precisely why the test results are seen as incomplete and inaccurate. The FDA is currently testing MDMA to be used as a prescription drug for post-traumatic stress disorder and victims of physical and sexual abuse to help them overcome their issues and is currently under strong consideration for the prevention and treatment of Parkinson's disease.

* When you do ecstasy, you're doing every drug there is!
This is a popular misconception because ecstasy is often speckled and the color of a particular pill isn't consistent all the way around. Those little white specks you see, and those little brown specs, are not signs of cocaine or heroine, but actually they're dyes that were not mixed up properly during the creation of the pill, it's a product of shoddy in-home lab work, thats all. You must look at the street value of other drugs, heroine, cocaine, lsd, are all drugs that cost approx 2 - 5 times more than a pill of ecstasy in the same quantities. If the manufacturer of your pill was yeilding a 50,000 pill batch at the time of conception, he would be using about 6 kilos of MDMA, for one 120mg pill to be even 1/4 cocaine or heroine, he'd have to dump in 1.5 kilos of it. So, instead of the, $150 - $1000 that he has invested into those 50,000 pills, for another 1.5 kilos of cocaine, he's invested $50,000 - $90,000 just to mix those pills and make a terrible product, rather than selling pure MDMA, or MDMA with caffiene, DXM, ephedrine or other cheaper chemicals that ARE commonly found in Ecstasy Pills.

* Ecstasy kills people more than any other drug.
This is simply not true, since 1990, according to the DEA there have only been 91 deaths in which the only drug in the users system is MDMA. Almost every ecstasy related death that has occurred has been from heat exhaustion (caused by not drinking water) or from a heart attack (caused by dancing or strenuous movement for long periods of time without resting). The victims of these deaths have shown in their autopsies to contain more than just MDMA (ecstasy), but significant amounts of marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and/or alcohol, which when mixed with MDMA which can disorient the user and make him/her unaware of the stress they are putting their bodies under, and unable to regulate their body temperatures. Compare these 91 people that have died in the past 17 years, as opposed to the 10,000+ alcohol related deaths that occur each year.

Don't be so sure. Perhaps you might want to give that Terms of Service you agreed to when you registered another read.

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i said say not type.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech#Restrictions_on_free_speech
Even in real life where you "say" and not "type", there are still restrictions. That was just for your information and I will not debate it with you, because I am only concerned with what you say on this website. If you want to engage in a useless debate of semantics and technicalities, consider "typing" and "saying" as synonymus for the purposes of interpreting the rules on this website.

To close, I've taken us horribly off topic. You are more than welcome to "debate" (*cough* I use this term very loosely, because odds are it will not end up as a "debate". ) the rules with me through Private Message, but over here you must go back on topic. Any further debate on this issue or replies to this post in this topic will be deleted.

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Wow, you too? I always told everyone that I let listen to Trance, the same thing...

Well, I consider Psychedelic Trance (and all sub-genres) and Progressive Trance more or less "modern classical". That "Vocal"/"Epic" bullshit is mainstream pop-influenced puke.
Care to provide reliable facts to your outragious claims Akar?

Oh wait, its all hersay and judgment from someone who has never indulged in any of the substances named, my bad.

Sorry Akar, that's not how you debate.

To all of you against Ecstacy: Get your facts straight (and I mean actually USE facts instead of your lame hersay) then come back and debate against this, m'kay?

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Let the interpretation war begin.

And to me, Ecstacy != MDMA

Ecstacy is unpure, whereas MDMA is pure (these are my opinions, they're not facts)

Dont rely on that for drug information
try an Actual Government approved health website for MDMA.
YES The short term effects are what it says on there when you are in use of the drug not after.
like i said.

And where might this "Government approved health website" be?

MDMA is a psychadelic, which is a hallucinogen.

Search google.
http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/ecstasy.html
www.health.nsw.gov.au/public-health/dpb/publications/pdf/factsheets/ecstasy.pdf

yes its a hallucinogen but it doesnt make you hallucinate. even in heavy doses