If you had the chance to help code SEN, be a designated artist or some other job helping the site, would you? (Answer...)

SEN's progression as a site is quite... appauling. We have whiny 11 year olds fighting about bots, 26 year old literature nazi's crying because my sentencing isn't oxford worthy and we have moderators / admins that probably fed up, but only because they are too strict a lot of times.

All of this, shit layouts, a half complete website and a nearing release of SC2. How will we survive?

errr.... Who's 26 in here?

Also, you seem to not be liking sen, why not try leaving instead of uh... flaming sen? I think that is what this is.

Obviously voted yes, I am a GM after all, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't want to help further SEN along.

In truth I wish I could code or at least create skins to help out, but from what I've seen, IP has a very 'my way only' policy of coding things, and doesn't like when others code things/touch his code, even for bug fixes.

I don't hate SEN, it is just half assed far too much. The idea is that I wanted to show IP and Moose that capable members are willing to help out.

Well, the world is half assed far too much. And SEN is part of the world. And I have no skill capable of helping with coding. I am a mothaf'ing computer language illiterate. I would be inclined to be part of the grammar nazi army if I had better grammar myself- but I always make some mistakes. I'm just not good enough.

No.

I love the website (and somewhat hate it for the amount of my life it devoured ) and mostly love the community, but... I consider myself to have more important things to do and/or don't have the patience for that sort of thing.

I can probably code something, but IP and Moose are both probably far more adept at it than I am; I can draw things, and if you need something quick and small, I suppose I can make it. Stuff like the rank icons.

I am going to have to say 'this' by far.

Website is fine as it is, the only thing that would make it better is more people who actually finished maps, and maybe a couple more people who listened to metal. (Besides the obvious lulz provided by the Management at times.)

I think that is rather ridiculously pessimistic. You would have done more good to just pm the admins asking for something to help them with rather than this. And like Norm said, you could help by finishing a map as well.

Hmm, I think a more realistic question is how you will survive in SEN rather than how will SEN survive.

Oh wait, you did get one part right.
Especially those who start topics in order to whine

[Edit]The only thing I would be competent in doing would be moderating a forum. There are better graphic artists or coders than I.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 3 2009, 1:02 am by CecilSunkure.

My answer is a humble no.

So far Ive been denied any chance to do anything to help SEN, no matter how formal or behaved Ive acted that week or month. So far this month Ive rarely even posted, let alone have posts that lacked correct usage, mechanics, grammar, spelling, and etc. I've always felt that I could have taken on the job had Id only been given the chance, but every time Im struck down and told no because of past history.

This site is too damn dependant on the past and seams to have no care for the future. SC2 may or may not come, but whats for certain is when it does, we'll die as a community. We'll branch off in seperate directions, we'll lack able minded users of the new SC2 map editor, we'll lack faith as a whole in ourselves beacause few here can even use the WC3 editor. But most importantly, any crowd we do let part of this one, always turns out to be worst.

Face it, I think we've found all the sane minded mappers on bnet that bother coming on websites. Infact I dont think that, I KNOW that. Yet we go on day to day advertising the name through our maps, telling people to come here for mapping assistance, and etc. WHO have we sent here that has finished a successful map? WHO have we told on bnet to come here has made a impacting impression on bnet for the sake of this community? WHO? Ill tell you.

Nobody.

And Ill tell you how I can tell you nobody. Its the fact that everything is deadlocked around here. The elites are elite, the spammers are spammers, the inactive are inactive, the active are active, and the same people are the same people. I constantly make these little posts trying to spark some kinda commotion or radacal movement that may once again bring hope to all, maybe a few maps out too. People forget the purpose of SEN, and V5 is not that purpose. V5 so far has been a waste of talent and such toward the face of the internet, while V4 yield'd something far greater, far marvolus, far better than what we call SEN now. Too many forget the old days, and we try to relive them by doing map contests, by having the same boards, hell by even having the same skin. But this is not the old SEN, too many know that yet say nothing, too many know it and leave.

So my answer is no. I know theres a lotta people that will say Yes that they want moderator. But do they know what they're moderating? The same 90 people that come here everyday, that produce 0 maps, that spend most of their time in the Null/SD/Compy/Games (Which might as well be renamed HoN and other games)/and the other less popular board below it. My point? Why would anyone want to waste their time doing unproductive work? The answer should be nobody...

I agree, MOAR map makers, less null people.

This is the only disagreement I have with your post DM, which for the most part was pretty agreeable.

I think having a good idea of what a member is like, past and present, is important when selecting them for staff. Some people can have a good week, a good month, and then in general be a bad representative for the site. Look at devilesk. When he's mapping he's productive, active, and the kind of member SEN needs. When he isn't he's flaming and trolling up a storm. If we gave him a staff position based just on his behavior for the month or so that he's mapping focused, it'd be a bad decision on our part.

I'm not saying that you are like dev in behavior, but rather, there are definite concerns that need to be addressed when considering anyone for a staff position.

Thats just like how the world runs. You judge people's overall past, not their present. Besides, how can you even judge their present?

Hay that gives me an idea: Close down ALL non-Starcraft subforums for a week and see what happens!
for the lulz

I'll tell you what happens. You'll get just as many Starcraft posts as you do now.

Or, you'll get a lot of spam.

You'll make the admins feel suffering through mass pms complaining about the other forums.

I think you guys are a bit too negative about SEN's chances for becoming the mapping hub of SCII. Really, what's our competition? We own SC mapping and modding, and the only remaining WCIII competition is this (edit: actually, it seems wc3campaigns.net is back up). If SEN is updated for the SCII technologies (programming, etc) and if we create a database of models and the like, if most map makers here actually learn to map SCII, it can be done.

I personally think we should ask people who SEN helped with their maps to advertise it somewhere visible in their map - such as the loading screen. If we get that working, we'll get an influx of members.

SEN, as a website, is faster and more intuitive than the competition. As a community, we're no worse. You guys are being pessimistic.

Pessimisitic is thinking you'll never become anything to help SEN.

Intelligent is knowing you'll never become anything to help SEN.

There is definitely a hierarchy at this site that doesn't have a lot of mobility between its tiers. Just like in real life, if a vacuum opens up somewhere, then some change will take place. I believe the primary reason this site is slowing down is because of its subject matter: Starcraft mapmaking. It's just not as popular as it was. Fewer and fewer people are discovering it, and most of the people that know it well have probably explored most/all of what they wanted to explore with it. Any half-ass attempt at a fan website for something like, say, Transformers will be popular so long as its subject matter is popular. But once the focus loses importance to the general public, only the sites with the most to offer and the most dedicated staff/members will last for a good length of time.

What is there that we can do now, though? This may not be the most popular statement, but I believe that Yoshi was the primary lifeblood for both SEN and maplantis in their heyday. He was dedicated, hardworking, and encouraged creativity. Many of the biggest attractions at the site were not his idea, but he kept the land fertile for good ideas to flourish and did his best to keep things organized. He was not a perfect leader by any means, and I'm not trying to slam the current leadership at this site. But I think his combination of dedication (even during rough patches) and standards is the main reason you and I even know each other and can say these things in this setting. Unfortunately, his dedication has its limits, and so he moved on to other things. I don't think that either site has had the confidence of vision that they had under Yoshi, and as a result, the leadership (and I'm implicating myself here, too) is sitting around trying to figure out why things that worked did work and patch leaks rather than push things in a new direction.

For a long time, I've been of the mind that SC2 would pump new life into this site. But now I'm not so sure anymore. The focus for SEN (since, I dare say, Yoshi's final departure) has been on surviving rather than flourishing. I would venture a guess that the arrival of SC2 will be too much for this site as it is, and it won't be able to keep up with the demand. I'm not saying anyone's done a bad job. This site has still done some pretty awesome things in the last few years. However, without a change in attitude, the site will wither and be in too weak a position to deal with the coming tide. The big question is whether or not the people around here are capable of instigating that shift in attitude.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 3 2009, 3:44 pm by Doodan.

Just because no1 other than your brother wants you to have channel ops doesn't count.