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Why do you believe?
Dec 31 2008, 11:27 am
By: Hercanic
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Why did you choose your particular religion?
Why did you choose your particular religion?
Answer Votes Percentage % Voters
It's what I was raised to believe. 3
 
5%
None.
I don't know much about other religions, so I default to what I know. 1
 
2%
None.
It appeals to me. 4
 
6%
None.
I had a personal experience that convinced me. 5
 
7%
None.
Faith. 5
 
7%
None.
______________. 9
 
13%
None.
N/A, I am not a theist. 45
 
63%
None.
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Jan 31 2009, 4:23 am MillenniumArmy Post #241



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How do you define the "wild and crazy shit" that went on in the Old Testament? Who deems it's "wild and crazy shit?" As I've mentioned in another thread, interpretations such as mine see what the main point of the messages were despite such harsh language. Then there are others who only see the "bad" stuff in the passages. It's all interpretation. So whose right?


The point is, there really is no such thing as religion does, is, or teaches something. It's all people. Whether it's good, or bad, it's all people who decide how to utilize what is there. It's as if we're given a gun. We can use it for good purposes, yet we can also use it for bad purposes. Jesus and other Biblical prophets have shown us their teachings, it is up to use how to use it best (and of course, the teachings were meant to be for good purposes but as we all know, sometimes it doesn't turn out that way.)

Then wouldn't you agree that its absolutely ridiculous for people in religion to deem me a heathen since I don't believe in Christ?
One of the most prominent teachings of religions like Christianity is to not judge others. Unless one is criticizing another for his or her beliefs in an antagonizing way, people calling you a heathen for not believing in Christ IMO makes them hypocritical, as I was taught. As Christians we are called to be good stewards of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Ultimately, we are called to follow his way of life and teachings.

Just yesterday on campus, there was this guy who was standing in the middle of some busy intersection and he was wearing a huge sign saying something about infidels are going to hell, I can't remember exactly. But the thing is he would be preaching to people telling us that we were all damn to go to hell and that we must repent immediately. This is the type of person most people would most love NOT to see around. This is very un Christ like.

If someone does not Believe in Christ, we usually are not suppose to look at them any different than we would with a fellow Christian. As Jesus said, we are to love each other as our Father in Heaven loves us. The whole point of evangelism isn't to force or ask people to convert, but to show to the world what Christ has done for us and to carry out his deeds. The conversion is usually an indirect affect, not a direct one



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Jan 31 2009, 4:28 am Kellimus Post #242



Quote from MillenniumArmy
Quote from Kellimus
Quote from MillenniumArmy
How do you define the "wild and crazy shit" that went on in the Old Testament? Who deems it's "wild and crazy shit?" As I've mentioned in another thread, interpretations such as mine see what the main point of the messages were despite such harsh language. Then there are others who only see the "bad" stuff in the passages. It's all interpretation. So whose right?


The point is, there really is no such thing as religion does, is, or teaches something. It's all people. Whether it's good, or bad, it's all people who decide how to utilize what is there. It's as if we're given a gun. We can use it for good purposes, yet we can also use it for bad purposes. Jesus and other Biblical prophets have shown us their teachings, it is up to use how to use it best (and of course, the teachings were meant to be for good purposes but as we all know, sometimes it doesn't turn out that way.)

Then wouldn't you agree that its absolutely ridiculous for people in religion to deem me a heathen since I don't believe in Christ?
One of the most prominent teachings of religions like Christianity is to not judge others. Unless one is criticizing another for his or her beliefs in an antagonizing way, people calling you a heathen for not believing in Christ IMO makes them hypocritical, as I was taught. As Christians we are called to be good stewards of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Ultimately, we are called to follow his way of life and teachings.

Just yesterday on campus, there was this guy who was standing in the middle of some busy intersection and he was wearing a huge sign saying something about infidels are going to hell, I can't remember exactly. But the thing is he would be preaching to people telling us that we were all damn to go to hell and that we must repent immediately. This is the type of person most people would most love NOT to see around. This is very un Christ like.

If someone does not Believe in Christ, we usually are not suppose to look at them any different than we would with a fellow Christian. As Jesus said, we are to love each other as our Father in Heaven loves us. The whole point of evangelism isn't to force or ask people to convert, but to show to the world what Christ has done for us and to carry out his deeds. The conversion is usually an indirect affect, not a direct one

Oh if only there were more Religious folk with your mentality <3 Millenium



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Feb 5 2009, 7:28 am Hercanic Post #243

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Dear MillenniumArmy:
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As I've mentioned in another thread, interpretations such as mine see what the main point of the messages were despite such harsh language.
This is based completely on an assumption, though, is it not? The assumption being that the word "death" was only used to emphasize importance, rather than be a literal practice.

You've said before that you attend Bible Studies and spend much time discussing the metaphors behind passages. My question is, can you read Hebrew, the original language of the Bible? Words can have multiple meanings, and can have multiple meanings develop throughout time. When you are reading the English-translated Bible, how can you interpret the words used when those words do not hold all the same connotations that the ancient Hebrew words might have possessed? Death, in ancient Hebrew, might have been very literal, for instance, with no room for question. So is the search for metaphor in a translated Bible, based off the connotations of our modern language and thinking, ultimately an act of futility?

Aside from why you believe, the second half of this thread's question was: Why don't you believe in any other religion? Have you answered this part, MillenniumArmy? If not, do you have an answer?




Feb 5 2009, 8:52 am MillenniumArmy Post #244



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This is based completely on an assumption, though, is it not? The assumption being that the word "death" was only used to emphasize importance, rather than be a literal practice.
That's not the point... The point I was making is that there is more than one way to interpret something. You can see something however you want, but don't generalize a belief based on your own.

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You've said before that you attend Bible Studies and spend much time discussing the metaphors behind passages. My question is, can you read Hebrew, the original language of the Bible? Words can have multiple meanings, and can have multiple meanings develop throughout time. When you are reading the English-translated Bible, how can you interpret the words used when those words do not hold all the same connotations that the ancient Hebrew words might have possessed? Death, in ancient Hebrew, might have been very literal, for instance, with no room for question. So is the search for metaphor in a translated Bible, based off the connotations of our modern language and thinking, ultimately an act of futility?
Remember back when you took English class, when you read any book, what do you do? You don't just read words; you find the theme, message, tone, and all that literary stuff your english teacher/professor(s) made you do. Reading something isn't just reading words, you understand what the purpose of the book or whatever is telling you.

That said, this Bible I have has such things like the theme, message, and author's background info written prior to each book, all proving to be very different than those "summaries"' the SAB provides. Name me any book in the Bible and I'll be more than happy to let you see it.

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Aside from why you believe, the second half of this thread's question was: Why don't you believe in any other religion? Have you answered this part, MillenniumArmy? If not, do you have an answer?
Yes I do have an answer:

- Judaism essentially is only the first Testament of the Bible. But they do not believe in Jesus Christ, which I do.
- Islam does indeed follow the Bible but they also follow the teachings of Muhammad. Fundamentally it's the same; only that Islam follows the 5 pillars or w/e it's called. However
- Buddhism and Hinduism... there are a few reasons why I don't follow these religions. One is essentially just philosophy (but then so is just about every religion), the other one really likes the idea of a caste system (remember, neither Judaism, Christianity, or Islam hint any form or sign of such a thing as part of their spiritual or relational teachings.) With Christianity (and Islam and Judaism) everyone is seen equally as God's children and that we should love one other as he has loved us. Like how atheists don't need religious morals, I don't need Buddhist or Hindu teachings. Really I could say the same for just about... anything but when why do I choose what I currently believe in? The biggest difference between religions like Hinduism or Buddhism and Christianity (and possibly even islam and judaism) is that they do not teach, promote, or look at things the way Jesus Christ does, which really does strike me and make me go "Wow this guy was really great, I want to a loving, humble, and passionate person like him." Here are some examples of the many things Christians believe in.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Feb 5 2009, 9:01 am by MillenniumArmy.



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Feb 6 2009, 1:31 am Zell. Post #245



http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126941.700-born-believers-how-your-brain-creates-god.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news
People like being watched, like believing in fairness, like believing in judgment..heaven..hell, like having hope, like believing in a higher power to control things they don't understand. Next, made into a tool to gain money, to keep old civilizations busy, to fight a holy war. People have created fabrications in their head forever, maybe in the future it will be more obvious. By then, you will have your god, and you will make it with your own hands.



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Feb 9 2009, 11:31 pm SilentAlfa Post #246



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Muslims do not believe in Christ, they believe in Allah.. Christianity (all forms of it, Catholisism, LDS, Christian, etc...) followers worship Jesus Christ... So how is Islam an 'extention' when they only pray/worship Allah, which is their word for 'God'?

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Muslims do not believe in Christ

He is acknowledged as a prophet in the Qu'ran.

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Christianity (all forms of it, Catholisism, LDS, Christian, etc...) followers worship Jesus Christ.

By that logic, Muslims worship Muhammad, which is false.

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So how is Islam an 'extention' when they only pray/worship Allah, which is their word for 'God'?

No, Allah is the Arabic word for God, and it's perfectly acceptable for those born into English-speaking societies to just say God instead of Allah. If you don't understand that Islam is an extension of Christianity is an extension of Judaism, you really need to start reading some books. Islam is definitely and directly derived from Christianity and Judaism.

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They don’t realize even to this day that the ‘creator god’ of every religion is the same God in its own aspect, and yet, no one knows where this great being came from. Where DID God hail from? This is what challenges religion the most and what has prompted Atheism the most as well. The answer lies in the simplest thing we could find to explain it. The Big Bang.

The big bang is a silly way to try to disprove god. For example, where did all the particles that made up the big bang come from? What caused the big bang to happen? You see, if the particles for the big bang all of a suddenly simply came into existence, or those particles have always existed, why is it a stretch to believe that God has always existed/suddenly came into existence?



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Feb 16 2009, 8:20 pm Kellimus Post #247



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Muslims do not believe in Christ, they believe in Allah.. Christianity (all forms of it, Catholisism, LDS, Christian, etc...) followers worship Jesus Christ... So how is Islam an 'extention' when they only pray/worship Allah, which is their word for 'God'?

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Muslims do not believe in Christ

He is acknowledged as a prophet in the Qu'ran.

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Christianity (all forms of it, Catholisism, LDS, Christian, etc...) followers worship Jesus Christ.

By that logic, Muslims worship Muhammad, which is false.

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So how is Islam an 'extention' when they only pray/worship Allah, which is their word for 'God'?

No, Allah is the Arabic word for God, and it's perfectly acceptable for those born into English-speaking societies to just say God instead of Allah. If you don't understand that Islam is an extension of Christianity is an extension of Judaism, you really need to start reading some books. Islam is definitely and directly derived from Christianity and Judaism.

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They don’t realize even to this day that the ‘creator god’ of every religion is the same God in its own aspect, and yet, no one knows where this great being came from. Where DID God hail from? This is what challenges religion the most and what has prompted Atheism the most as well. The answer lies in the simplest thing we could find to explain it. The Big Bang.

The big bang is a silly way to try to disprove god. For example, where did all the particles that made up the big bang come from? What caused the big bang to happen? You see, if the particles for the big bang all of a suddenly simply came into existence, or those particles have always existed, why is it a stretch to believe that God has always existed/suddenly came into existence?

Uh, if you would have actually read through my replies you'd see that I know Christianity is a form of Judaism but they follow the "Christ Doctrine".

Why is it a stretch to believe that God was once a humanoid that has transcended into the multi-dimensional aspects of the Universe and created the human race out of what they once looked like in their mortal, 3-Dimensional plane of existence??



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Feb 17 2009, 12:09 am Syphon Post #248



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Christianity (all forms of it, Catholisism, LDS, Christian, etc...) followers worship Jesus Christ.

By that logic, Muslims worship Muhammad, which is false.

Muslims call Muhammad a prophet, Christians call Jesus the Son of God. All Christian denominations worship Jesus as a part of God.



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