Iso terrain
Jan 12 2010, 8:39 pm
By: ClansAreForGays  

Jan 12 2010, 8:39 pm ClansAreForGays Post #1



Whenever I place isometric terrain in a map, I get a bunch of surrounding black tiles. Even when I'm placing water over water. I thought that was just something everyone who used iso in SCMD2 just had to deal with, so I only use rectangular and just live with blockiness. After watching a video of Ex terraining, and just realizing that no1 would be as on-fire about terrain if they had my problem, I think I'm the exception. How Do I stop scmd from spamming my map with black tiles?

I just want my iso placing to be at least as good as staredit's.




Jan 12 2010, 8:43 pm JaFF Post #2



One possible reason is that you first edited the terrain with the tileset index or the square terrain window, then tried working in ISO over it. This also happens when you paste terrain blocks and then try to work in ISO over them.



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Jan 12 2010, 8:44 pm samsizzle Post #3



Did you do anything weird before placing the iso terrain? Like copy/pasting something on the spot you're terraining?



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Jan 12 2010, 8:45 pm Jack Post #4

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Have you tried a clean install of SCMDraft? The other thing that causes this is when you use rectangular terrain over large areas, or copy/paste terrain, and then try to do ISOM over the top. Does it do this for you when you start with a blank, dirt map, and start trying to do ISOM over the top?



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Jan 12 2010, 8:54 pm ClansAreForGays Post #5



I have the latest version of scmd. I dl'd the map(a map of europe) over b.net, and the map isn't protected. I've cut/pasted a few spots across the map, but the whole entire map does this black tile crap.
I just made a map from scratch, and the black tiles don't show up.

Will cut+pasting the terrain on a new map fix this? Why the heck does it even do this to begin with?! I wish I could disable it.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 12 2010, 9:03 pm by ClansAreForGays. Reason: typing lisp?




Jan 12 2010, 9:03 pm Norm Post #6



You get the black tiles if you do ISOM over Rectangular or Copy/Pasted terrain. Do your ISOM first and you won't have to deal with it.



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Jan 12 2010, 9:03 pm JaFF Post #7



If the original map was designed by editing specific tiles or copy/pasting stuff, I doubt there's much you can do. You can talk to someone who knows the inner workings of a map better, like Heinermann or Farty, say.



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Jan 12 2010, 9:04 pm Madroc Post #8



It could be that some time in the development of the map, the entire terrain was copy/pasted. Once the terrain for a map is copy/pasted, you can no longer use the iso terrain tool, or else it makes those black spots.

So yeah, you're definitely screwed with this map, unless there's some program that reforms the iso terrain that I don't know about or something.




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Jan 12 2010, 9:09 pm ClansAreForGays Post #9



I'm pretty sure the only way to make a good map of Europe is to use a picture map program. I think that's what's making this happen. But some how the original maker did it once he picture mapped it. I also know ex can do isom over a picture mapped map, so there's got to be something obvious and right under my nose that I'm missing here.




Jan 12 2010, 9:16 pm Vrael Post #10



You can manually align terrain to make it look isometric without it actually being isometric. I actually do this with almost all of my extended terrain, so that when I do need to use Iso terrain it doesn't fuck up quite as much.



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Jan 12 2010, 9:19 pm Excalibur Post #11

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I'm pretty sure the only way to make a good map of Europe is to use a picture map program. I think that's what's making this happen. But some how the original maker did it once he picture mapped it. I also know ex can do isom over a picture mapped map, so there's got to be something obvious and right under my nose that I'm missing here.
Yes but you don't know my method to do this.

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Jan 12 2010, 9:53 pm Kaias Post #12



From "Terrain won't work after pasting" http://www.staredit.net/189517/

Quote from name:TassadarZeratul
First, back up your map. Next, get WinMPQ and use it to open both maps and extract their scenario.chk files. Open the scenario.chk from the map you copied the terrain from (in Notepad) and find the ISOM section. Copy the ISOM section. Close Notepad and open the other map's scenario.chk. Replace its ISOM section with the ISOM from the first map. Save the file as "scenario2.chk". Re-open WinMPQ and delete the scenario.chk file. Then, go MPQ>Add and add the scenario2.chk file. Rename it to scenario.chk, along with anything else that was in the filename of the original file. Close WinMPQ and Notepad, and open the map in your map editor. If you did it right, the terrain should function normally.

You might need to consult this link: http://www.staredit.net/wiki/scenario.chk_format




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Jan 12 2010, 10:11 pm Falkoner Post #13



I'll PM you StarCraft Map Cracker, although I'm not allowed to upload it to the DB due to it being an unprotector(trust me, I've tried), it has the ability to fix Isom terrain.



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Jan 12 2010, 10:18 pm ClansAreForGays Post #14



That's pretty cool, but if I'm reading it right, it requires another map with the same terrain where the isom works.

I have come to terms with my screwedness.




Jan 12 2010, 10:32 pm ClansAreForGays Post #15



Quote from Falkoner
I'll PM you StarCraft Map Cracker, although I'm not allowed to upload it to the DB due to it being an unprotector(trust me, I've tried), it has the ability to fix Isom terrain.
The exe doesnt work. I really hope you didn't trojan me.




Jan 12 2010, 10:40 pm Falkoner Post #16



Apparently someone else had a similar problem :/ Sorry about that, just tried it myself, it musta gotten corrupted somehow, don't worry, as comical as it would be, I didn't give you a virus :P I got the working one the maker sent me from my email, I'll PM that one.



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Jan 12 2010, 10:50 pm poiuy_qwert Post #17

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Check out this program. I've never tried it but it should do what you want.




Jan 12 2010, 10:51 pm Falkoner Post #18



That's actually the program I sent him, StarCraft Map Cracker :P



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Jan 12 2010, 10:53 pm ClansAreForGays Post #19



Quote from Falkoner
don't worry, as comical as it would be, I didn't give you a virus :P
I don't know. I've been know to make ppl want to find out where I live and strangle me.




Jan 12 2010, 10:55 pm poiuy_qwert Post #20

PyMS and ProTRG developer

Quote from Falkoner
That's actually the program I sent him, StarCraft Map Cracker :P
Ah.




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