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Disabling Triggers + 'Never' Trigger
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Jul 30 2009, 10:41 pm
By: XGenesis  

Jul 30 2009, 10:41 pm XGenesis Post #1



Is there any point to disabling triggers or using the never trigger?

The only difference I see is that when triggers are disabled, they don't run.

Whats the point?? :><:



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Jul 30 2009, 10:43 pm poison_us Post #2

Back* from the grave

The "never" trigger means that it will...never run.
Disabling conditions means that you can selectively pick which conditions you want to check for. Good for editing and fixing bugs.




Jul 30 2009, 10:45 pm Ahli Post #3

I do stuff and thingies... Try widening and reducing the number of small nooks and crannies to correct the problem.

the never condition makes sure that the trigger will never run.

I guess, that was Blizzard's early way to write comments inside the triggers. You create a trigger with a never condition and write your comment in a display text action.




Jul 30 2009, 10:45 pm XGenesis Post #4



Quote from poison_us
The "never" trigger means that it will...never run.
Disabling conditions means that you can selectively pick which conditions you want to check for. Good for editing and fixing bugs.

So if I have a trigger creates 1 marine, I can make it not run by making another trigger with the "never" condition?



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Jul 30 2009, 10:47 pm JaFF Post #5



Quote from XGenesis
Quote from poison_us
The "never" trigger means that it will...never run.
Disabling conditions means that you can selectively pick which conditions you want to check for. Good for editing and fixing bugs.

So if I have a trigger creates 1 marine, I can make it not run by making another trigger with the "never" condition?
You add the Never condition to the trigger that creates the marine.



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Jul 30 2009, 10:50 pm Chubacca Post #6



its also good for locking maps. if u add a trigger saying

always
never

end scenario in defeat for current player

when someone goes to unlock the map, the never condition in the trigger wont work

EDIT: Its great for map making too, for testing, u can uncheck the never condition and check it to test for different results. I add never conditions to most of my triggers that i make for the first time



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Jul 30 2009, 10:50 pm poison_us Post #7

Back* from the grave

Yes. If you have a "never" condition, the trigger will never run.

If you disable a condition/action in a trigger, Starcraft will act as if that particular trigger/action was never made at all.

EDIT: Chubacca beat me by 2 seconds...




Jul 30 2009, 10:52 pm Kaias Post #8



Quote from Chubacca
its also good for locking maps. if u add a trigger saying

always
never

end scenario in defeat for current player

when someone goes to unlock the map, the never condition in the trigger wont work
No, it'll just delete the trigger, not the condition. And that's in compression, not unprotecting.

Never condition is useful if you want to turn 'off' a trigger temporarily without having to delete it and remake it, or disable all the actions.



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Jul 30 2009, 11:00 pm Falkoner Post #9



Quote from Chubacca
its also good for locking maps. if u add a trigger saying

always
never

end scenario in defeat for current player

when someone goes to unlock the map, the never condition in the trigger wont work

EDIT: Its great for map making too, for testing, u can uncheck the never condition and check it to test for different results. I add never conditions to most of my triggers that i make for the first time

Lulz, any protection would delete the entire trigger, because the way your map runs would change if they just deleted the condition.

Disabling them does just that, it disables the condition or action, if you disable all conditions in a trigger, it will always run, because no conditions return false.

Never is very useful when you have debugging triggers that you use when YOU are testing, it, but want to turn them off when testing it with other players, so you'd just put a Never condition in that trigger, and you can disable and enable it however you need to.



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Jul 30 2009, 11:08 pm XGenesis Post #10



Quote from Falkoner
Quote from Chubacca
its also good for locking maps. if u add a trigger saying

always
never

end scenario in defeat for current player

when someone goes to unlock the map, the never condition in the trigger wont work

EDIT: Its great for map making too, for testing, u can uncheck the never condition and check it to test for different results. I add never conditions to most of my triggers that i make for the first time

Lulz, any protection would delete the entire trigger, because the way your map runs would change if they just deleted the condition.

Disabling them does just that, it disables the condition or action, if you disable all conditions in a trigger, it will always run, because no conditions return false.

Never is very useful when you have debugging triggers that you use when YOU are testing, it, but want to turn them off when testing it with other players, so you'd just put a Never condition in that trigger, and you can disable and enable it however you need to.

What would happen if you put a never trigger as your condition, the disabled it? :lol: How would the trigger run??



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Jul 30 2009, 11:12 pm Demented Shaman Post #11



Never + comment is also useful for labeling a group of triggers. For example if you have a large group of triggers that are very similar then you can comment each one with a null or blank comment and then use a never + comment trigger at the top.

Here's an example of a never + comment trigger.




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Jul 30 2009, 11:12 pm Falkoner Post #12



Yeah, that's exactly what I said near the end, you can disable them and it's like they're not even there.



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Jul 30 2009, 11:13 pm Demented Shaman Post #13



Quote from XGenesis
Quote from Falkoner
Quote from Chubacca
its also good for locking maps. if u add a trigger saying

always
never

end scenario in defeat for current player

when someone goes to unlock the map, the never condition in the trigger wont work

EDIT: Its great for map making too, for testing, u can uncheck the never condition and check it to test for different results. I add never conditions to most of my triggers that i make for the first time

Lulz, any protection would delete the entire trigger, because the way your map runs would change if they just deleted the condition.

Disabling them does just that, it disables the condition or action, if you disable all conditions in a trigger, it will always run, because no conditions return false.

Never is very useful when you have debugging triggers that you use when YOU are testing, it, but want to turn them off when testing it with other players, so you'd just put a Never condition in that trigger, and you can disable and enable it however you need to.

What would happen if you put a never trigger as your condition, the disabled it? :lol: How would the trigger run??
The trigger would run because the never is disabled.



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Jul 30 2009, 11:31 pm NudeRaider Post #14

We can't explain the universe, just describe it; and we don't know whether our theories are true, we just know they're not wrong. >Harald Lesch

Wow, seriously guys, thats such a simple question, stop that spamfest with mass quotes etc.

Never condition is to disable a trigger temporarily without having to delete it.
It is often used in comment-only triggers.
Disabling a trigger can help bugfixing.

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