It's the former for those particularly people that you're talking about. SEN has been around much longer and will be a much more likely place for lots of new ones to come to before maplantis. The help section in UMS here far exceeds Maplantis in activity due to it. As for what I actually find worthwhile here, the "Politics, Science, and Religion" (which comes with the larger amount of subforums) has a lot more serious discussions than any at Maplantis. Some of the other off-topic subforums also get some interesting topics in them. But, even that has it's problems, when several pages of a topic end up being incredibly off-topic discussions about whether peoples posts are spam or not, and other ridiculously shit just like it.

I can't say I'm really impressed by the activity in the UMS help forum. It seems as if a lot of topics might never get resolved without my direct input. I was actually asked to join Staredit, specifically to help in the help forum. It's the reason I'm here at all.

As for all non-mapmaking related forums, I couldn't care less. I do not even approve of their existence and activity in them means nothing to me. In some ways I consider it counterproductive.

Hi, thanks for bashing the site I worked thousands of hours on and disregarding the advanced features and accomplishments I gave it. I'll be sure to view your maps in the same manner (if you even make any).

The more I read here the more I realize how right devilesk is.

You should have stayed to sen exclusively... like I want your opinion anyways

The community of Staredit and Maplantis are comprised of the same people. (I might have made that up. I just can't think of any members in particular that are unique to either site.)
Spreading our efforts across two sites seems pretty silly to me. I'm not sure why this site even exists.
It looks to me like Maplantis has some superiority over Staredit (the maps section and wiki content at least). Does Staredit have an advantage other than that it used to be a good site?
Maybe we could create a green colored skin for Maplantis and nobody would be able to tell the difference.

I don't think keeping these sites singularly owned is working. IP has SEN to himself, but decides to go on long afk trips every now and then. Yoshi had maplantis (and SEN before it) to himself, and obviously neither of those worked out as well. It's just too much to ask of one person for these sites perhaps.

We really ought to make site management a shared venture methinks.

And I think you shouldn't tell people what to do, especially when you don't even understand the situation. And I also think that if you bash his site for no reason, you warrant hearing his opinion on how stupid of a comment it was.

Burn! Devilesk is about 50% right on this one, probably a little more, imo. The community has lots of members which are exactly as he described, less weeded out than Maplantis, but as always, he's being overly blunt and harsh with his words, not that bad of a thing though.

I don't think keeping these sites singularly owned is working. IP has SEN to himself, but decides to go on long afk trips every now and then. Yoshi had maplantis (and SEN before it) to himself, and obviously neither of those worked out as well. It's just too much to ask of one person for these sites perhaps.

We really ought to make site management a shared venture methinks.

Hi, thanks for bashing the site I worked thousands of hours on and disregarding the advanced features and accomplishments I gave it.

And hello to you. I never said SEN was a bad place when it was in v4.1 (we had both mapping and chatting aspects at a good level). I said that it will become a bad place (v5) without someone in charge, and if this site doesen't get normal mapper-supporting features. By bad place I mean a site only for chatting without any features in support of mappers, because that would go against its purpose. You had nothing to do with the current situation. If you are to say I offended someone, it's IP, not you.

Also, I do make maps. This is one of the reasons I prefer Maplantis - it's much more useful to the map-maker.

Well, now that LW and MA are actually doing stuff I can maybe play a minor role there if I don't have the power to change anything at SEN.

If some people don't want to join in the action and see what its all about, then I don't consider them mappers.

SEN used to be great. I still believe it can be great again but major changes would have to be made. Changes I can no longer forfill due to my new obligations to latova, changes IP seems to not have the time to provide, changes moose doesn't have the ability to provide.

Agreed. At least 3 people with full mod powers.

Me too, sans the board crashes, upper-level management drama, hacking attempts, and unprotection nonsense, of course.

And hello to you. I never said SEN was a bad place when it was in v4.1 (we had both mapping and chatting aspects at a good level). I said that it will become a bad place (v5) without someone in charge, and if this site doesen't get normal mapper-supporting features. By bad place I mean a site only for chatting without any features in support of mappers, because that would go against its purpose. You had nothing to do with the current situation. If you are to say I offended someone, it's IP, not you.

Also, I do make maps. This is one of the reasons I prefer Maplantis - it's much more useful to the map-maker.