Hello,

Once again, I need your help on something: I somewhat fixed my spell system and now, I'm starting something which might get a bit more complex.
What I'm talking of is being able to manipulate the Hit Points via triggers. Here you might already have though of the vHP, but...

If you have a Boss that attacks of 10 000, a minion that attacks of 10 and a somewhat strong monster which attacks of 101.
How to make an effective vHP system?
Let's say that the burrowed unit supposed to represents my hero's HP has 100 HP and no armor. The minion would attack it and after 10 hits or so, the burrowed unit dies and the hero loses 100 HP.
Now, if the somewhat-strong-monster attacks it, it will 1 hit it. Though, every time it would hit it, I would get a lose of 1 damage (I hope you get why).
Even worst: How to make the difference between an attack from the somewhat-strong-monster and the boss since they would both 1 hit the burrowed unit?
Lethal_Illusion suggested me a nice solution, but I would be restricted into the number of different monsters that would be into an area :S

Thanks for help!
(ALOT!)

Both needs to have splash damage and you need multiple burrowed units that become attacked.

OR
use lethal's suggestion to subtract different amounts of hp in defferent areas. (I guessed that.)

You could use another burrowed unit for the boss, which is the only one that the boss attacks, and the other units attack the regular one.

I think EUDs would do better. No unit slowdown, etc...

However, this puts an unfortunate lack of information on the player (level 1 is nearly dead already).

The more complicated you make it for the player, the less fun it will be unfortunately. With so many different units that can attack you, I don't see an easy way.

No EUDs pl0x

@Ahli: In fact, he was saying to have each type of monsters of an area given to a certain computer player and then, by detecting the computer that killed the unit, I can substract the right amount of damagess (so lets say I would restrict my map to 4 monsters per area, I would need a location per area and at least 4 computers :S)

@stickynote: good idea, but it may need some development (that I should do myself, but you can also help me by giving more ideas )

Is there a way to prevent the zerg units to auto-regenerate their Hit Points?

Instead of a burrowed unit you could use a sprite stacked DT, this would also give shield animation if you set above 0 shields too. Or a cloaked stacked marine, I don't know if they slow down units when moved under or not, maybe.

I don't get your idea, could you expand a bit more upon it please?

the idea is to have them die. you can't make stacked units anymore.

Once again, I do not understand your point... could you extend a bit upon it please?

my point was that you can't make stacked non regenerating units for use in VHP unless you give burrowed zerg units 1 life. Sprites have to be preplaced.

Pigy wanted to have a stacked dt/marine which would act as the burrowed zergling. That way, it wouldn't regenerate.

Can we have stacked DTs over a player's hero and have them for an other player so the we don't see them?
And I suck with unit sprites, anyone could make just a little testmap of a vHP with those?

No, we can't. You'd run out of units since you can't create stackable DTs via triggers.

... I think I have a solution...
2 Questions first, though....
1) Are these damages created by spells?
2) Are these units Invincible?

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Feb 12 2009, 4:28 pm by NudeRaider. Reason: removed spam

First of all, lol@that edit by NudeRaider.
Secondly, here are my answers:

1) Both magical and physical damages will be dealt on that vHP
2) The point of having a vHP is to be able to know the unit's HP, so, yes, invincible heroes.

Well, I Think that maybe you can make the unit Vincible, and Just have the spells do damage Via - Scarabs.

There was a topic about it before, about how you dont see the scarabs blow up.... let me dig it up.



Hmm... I gotta say NudeRaider, I didn't think that was spam, took me a long time to type, and it was a perfectly good solution that helped Payne Understand Pigy-G's solution to the problem.
(Still digging up that old topic.)

Pyro, I know what you're talking about (I guess ): How to deal Direct Damage without using vHP (or something like that?).
I'm already using that system for the spells and it would works perfectly, what's wrong is that I must be able to make the enemies attack normally (physically) too, else, it would transform into a bunch of spells all around you and it would be soooo confusing :S

Using scarabs? Why not use the Give action? ... Can you give scarabs? I never tried...

In what way would giving a scarab help me? >.<

...how about not having any kind of VHP and using Direct Damage for everything? That would greatly increase the chances of you finishing the map.

That sounds like the best suggestion so far. Honestly payne, you've been working on this for like. . . before I joined SEN. Make some decisions and stick to them!

On a side note, does TOA do anything on these forums?