No matter what, no matter WHAT there is a hell and heaven for every person. I you believe in nothing after death, then its not a neutral stance, it is your hell and heaven. Just like up and down. There is nothing but up, and nothing but down. Same philosophy with side to side, left ro right, etc. 2 opposite directions; negative and positive. There is no '0' in between. No matter what, no matter WHAT there is a hell and heaven.

No, the true hell equivalent is known as Outer Darkness(which I'm sure you've heard about). The Telestial is still described as glorious beyond words. Pretty much the only way you get the Outer Darkness instead of Telestial is if you are Lucifer, or you deny Christ even after your death when he meets you in judgment. You have to practically beg for Hell.

And yet, even after begging for hell, if you are originally accepted into the stereotypical heaven you can still be forgiven for begging and not condemned to hell. What you believe is what you get. No matter what faith.

Shall I post my entire philosophy and statement for you guys?

Didn't think so either.


Don't continue without me I'll continue this debate tommarow.

I haven't been to church since I was around eight, so I probably got them mixed up. Maybe Pergatory is the name they use for Limbo, I dunno.

Do you ever know what ad hominem is? 'Cause I certianly didn't use it in that post.

I'm saying they aren't the same entity because they aren't. Just because two things are similar doesn't make them the same.

Purgatory, in any religion that uses it, is the name for limbo. The definition of purgatory is pretty much limbo.

"Attacking the man". Maybe I should add Abusive at the end, but that's just spam anyways.

You should read this as a retort to what you just said: http://www.staredit.net/124922/

Pretty good explanation.

I suppose the better question for the majority of the people here is:

Why should you believe?

Why must there be?

If we take your examples of directions, for instance, we can clearly see that if we have 2 vectors of length 0, (one for each direction, presumably), well, there's really no direction without a length, is there? Perhaps you might say the set of axes has directions anyway, so let's get rid of the axes and just examine the vectors. Now there are no directions in our little space. Aside from that, directions are relative, someone in China who points up is actually pointing down compared to a person in the United States, and vice versa (well not exactly but you get my point I hope). I don't follow how you got from a belief in nothing to the necessary existence of heaven and hell.

Pascal's wager is the only logical reason.

I choose to tip the scales in my favour.

Are you implying that you have complete knowledge of all data in regards to the existence of God and the truth of religion? If so, then you're fine in asserting that (but you might have a hard time proving your omnipotence). If not, you need to add a "probably" into that assertion.

Exactly. And it does not invalidate arguments. Claiming my arguments are wrong because I insulted(?) you, however, does.

That retort is wrong. Just because they represent the same thing doesn't mean the are the same thing. They have unique origins, and are therefore distinct.

If you truly understood the meaning of religion, you would know how they are all alike.

Religion is a concept devised to make humans better humans. It is a concept to bond and connect people so that the believe in one thing so that they may advance accordingly.

If you accept a God par say, everyone agrees and everyone will work together and build a monestary or place of worship. This is a technological advance.

Religion is devised to unite and strengthen man kind, but it has been taken to disproportion.
Concepts of Hell and Heaven are to reward the good hearted and punish the wicked.
Religions may in fact have been delivered by God(s), but in the end, it is to make people better.

All religions are made to further the existance of man kind.
Some religions have changed far beyond the original aspect they once were.
Some religions have been born out of other religions.

Many religions are far beyond what they used to be. Christianity has split into thousands of Churches.
The Anglican church, or "Church of England" was created because King Henry wanted to Divorce his wife, and Catholicism disapproved of it, so he made his own Church and was like "PwnT".
Jainism is another fine example.

In conclusion.
Just be a good person and regardless of religion, satisfaction will be met.

How is it wrong, because you don't agree with it? Just because they have unique origins and are 'therefore distinct' does not imply they are not of the same thing.

My laptop is made by Sony, other people may have one that are made by HP/Compaq, Dell, Toshiba, etc.. They all have unique origins and are 'therefore distinct' but they are the same.

I do not believe.

It's wrong because he's saying things that are not identical are. Just like you are.

And no, no they aren't. If any two things are in anyway distinct, they are not the same thing. They are not identical. End of story.

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That is a terrible analogy. They are not all the same and are very distinct. They may all be laptops, but they are not the same.

They may all be gods, but they are not all the same God.

It actually the perfect analogy to show Syphon's point.

Thank you Kaias and CAFG; I know they're basically the same gods - the fulfill the same rolls, but that doesn't mean they aren't distinct.