Here's a glitch on regular 1.4MT, and I don't know if this is already posted.
Changing foms on mech right when you die fully heals all 3 forms AND revives you where you died

In 1.4M3, the random beacon will never give warrior.

tbh i actually can't stand to play 12 hero TS anymore. sorrys :]

I have decided to continue with M versions for the "old-school" fans.
(I suppose at the moment it's for people for people who don't like bugs and imbalances as well)
Eventually I will add one class, my Physicist, but that is far down the line.

http://www.staredit.net/?file=808



http://www.staredit.net/?file=808

As you can see, Assault and Special Ops have been totally revamped. That is the biggest change in this version. They are, of course, subject to change and I appreciate feedback regarding them. I have placed Mineral Chunks next to them in the hero selection area indicating that the classes have been revamped so players understand they are not picking the classes they are accustomed to.
The ultraslow Assimilator problem has been addressed. If it needs further tweaking, I will consider it.

My To-Do list has grown with both new ideas and things to incorporate from 1.5. If you haven't noticed, my trend is to update in small steps.

Moose, add a legit Moose class. It would be epic.

Also, best spell idea ever:

L4, Russian Roulette: One of the six players dies instantly at random.

2/6 chance to kill youself with a 3/6 chance to kill someone along side it at random, then it randomly picks someone.

LOL that made me laugh
i just dl the map ima go try the assult now :]

Can't Special Ops use the scan to show the crashing sprite?

Yeah.. I'd have recommended scan if It didn't give vision of sprite too..

*Evil Player Scans Sprite During Day*

*Evil Player Use's Anti Hack*

*Entire Game Drops*

*Evil Player Chuckles While Restarting SC*

If he wants the other team to win instantly, I suppose he could. That's also the type of person you should never play TS with again. Along with the people who block spawns and storm and TK their medic.

At the very least, REMOVE THE ANTI-MAPHACK and re-upload your M4. The anti-maphack does not detect ANY current maphack. People just use it to shift the screen to try to kill you or to avoid death. It's 100% stupid to even be in there. If you want working AH, ask moto to add the triggers to your map (his doesn't shift screen, and works vs current oblivion). Otherwise, don't bother with AH. It is UMS after all.

Also, did you fix it so that random can give warrior? In M3, in hundreds of games I've never gotten warrior (i always go random). I suspected it may have been because of the bordering locations between assassin and warrior (so it gives you assassin), but I wasn't sure. The trigger is there, it just never gave warrior.

Other than that, the shorter the debriefing the better.

Thanks for the maps.

Calling Spec Ops as OP before I play it. We'll see. But spamming L2 3 times = 10 seconds invincibility and 500 damage dealt, and then you can just fly home.

The Assault's bomber was only fair because of how difficult it was to hit people that you stunned. Coupling it with a marine will do bad things.

I also agree with removing the anti-maphack. I believe there is only one or two known sprites that crash current hacks, I'll let you know if I can find one.

Seems like a decent start to changes though, anything to give the Marine an avenue other than HP+Damage to be useful.

Please don't add Physicist. =o

Moose.
Although I knew that you'll go and develope your own version (from the time I announced the premature heros.. which only 1 out of 4 made the cut..), I feel that it'd be much better if we could work together <_<..

I definately don't have the patience and motivation to sit through, play the game countless times, and intergrate the material to produce a more balanced game. While you, on the other hand, don't have perfect knowledge of the map (You used an extra deathcount for mech's new L4 back in M3, which wasn't necessary, as there is already a grand scheme deathcount for all spells), and my ideas seem to flow better IMO (Mech's L4 was... bland... the new one in 1.5 is better in my perspective).

Plus, ultimately, it is my map. And i feel it'd be best if we work together rather than seperately...
I feel that you can balance the map better than me, as I usually don't play competitively (I just fuck around lol)... and I realize that lowering the HP for marine, but keeping the damage at 11+3 is probably the best way to balance him.

I don't mind changing Engineer's L1 n L2... L3 can be swapped elsewhere if u'd like. I also want to see the effect of switching assault's L1 and L2. From thinking more about it, it may be better balanced, especially if assault is marine, and keeps the 11+3 damage (L1 as teargas with marine is just too much rape, eh?).

I'd still like to keep mines in play somehow. Completely removing it will also remove the base cap with mines... Do all ppl here agreed that it's too OP? It's not that bad as it's non-invincible (right?)... I'd also like to keep the Engineering class, as I've always wanted a defensive class.

Since phantom has the spec op's L2, I wouldn't include it... spec ops has been removed for good I guess.

If u really don't want to, I guess I can't make you to do this together.. then I'd ask if u can help balance or give suggestions on balancing the new ver (after i'm done fixing the numerous glitches)...

Why not? Change is constant..
Don't tell me u don't like the new heroes :C...

This reminds me.. I have finished the "Banish" and "Time Rip" spells, which stemmed from your physicist idea.. they were initially implemented for psion, but being as OP as it is already, I removed it. If u put it in V1.5, you wouldn't need to trigger 2 of its 4 spells XD.

anyway...
thnx
~Unholy

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Feb 24 2009, 7:31 pm by UnholyUrine.

I think Moose makes TS better when he does it on his own and does his own thing.

Moose is no one's balance bitch.

moose also made a lot of bad changes the maojority (80%+) disliked. I think it would produce a better map if unholy's ideas mixed with moose's balancing. Unholy might come up with a great spell idea, moose might come up with a great idea to make it balanced.

I might like the new heroes if you balanced and bugfixed them, but when every other game glitches out because of an unfixed bug, or just ends up with the Dragoon spamming L2 forever, the game is not exciting.

You have been planning this new version for something like 4 months, and the first beta released enormously glitchy and has not been updated.

Until you fix it, I find the 12-hero much more exciting simply because it's more balanced.

I know I don't post often on these forums, but I do play temple siege multiple times daily (ExO[L4] on bnet) and honestly I think both players should work together to make one map. Honestly, how can we good competition when there are two different maps that are "official". Unholy has some good ideas, but moose is more active in the competitive side. So why not have moose work with Unholy on the balancing? But to make it completely balanced, I think you need to take some ideas from the TS regulars out there, because honestly some of the changes that I just read in 1.4M4 were not so great. A lot of us who play competitively would like to have a say on what you guys do the balance of the map. I know its your map unholy, but please listen to the players .

:[ so hard to be a mana marine now that the Lv1 mine spell was replaced :[ i tried it last night oh poo

Sorry Faz- ... To be a mapper, you just gotta procrastinate.. ..
And, all good mappers takes large breaks between their projects to refresh their ideas and actually get a life/play sm starcraft...
I considered v1.5 as an entirely diff project... (The triggers for the 3 new heroes took the same amount of triggers as 6 of the old ones!! maybe even more!)

it's a good thing that I named it beta ''