It appears to be 100% according to the triggers. As well as 100% shields and energy.

EDIT: I played Medic today. It sets to 100%.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Aug 7 2008, 9:36 pm by Mini Moose 2707.

Transformers sucks ass. You need to change it so it isnt the least favorite unit. It has low HP, low damage, and low MP. All the transformations sucks ass too. Vulture especially.

No it doesn't. Use thor's hammer often. As in very often. Spam it. It is a hero killer.
At clansareforgays, did you release v1.3? There are some mistakes. In the mission briefings, the mission objectives still say v1.2, the mission objectives (for the spells for volt), spell 1 says the same thing it did in v1, fission, create 4 hallucinations, but it isn't that anymore. Those are the only mistakes that I know of so far.

=O whao.. This is Urine here to just answer all your questions and comments.. Mostly moose's since he has the most questions and comments lol...
I think that was intended.. It's kind of an artwork by Mneox.

Well capturing bases really requires strategy. Just outwardly capturing them doesn't help you at all times. but for slow units like the Light Mage.. it is something very good to have. Also, if you have Manually upgraded the spawn level, then it'd be good to have these outposts. That also works for late game strategies, since the spawn units are much better.
As for the spawn building description... ehh i donno where i can put that .
Spawning units are effective against mana/spell driven heroes.. But they MAY seem to lack firepower against heroes. However it's balanced in a way since they can be there to merely help your hero.. Get your hero to be in the frontline, and the enemy heroes can't stand against you.

Hmm, I never noticed that. I'll keep that in mind for the balacing bit.

Yeaaaa I noticed that after a while.. I'm gonna change it to 100 E or something like that.

Okely Dokely.

Well I don't know what more could be done really.... It was really just a way for people to sneak around capturing outpost/have some time trying to build secretively.. which for me was good enough for the Gameplay... However.. I will try to implement future heroes to have affects on the day n night thingy. But right now I have no idea what else I can do about the Day n Night effect.


Lol i was being lazy.. fiiine ..


><" yes.. ppl laughed at me about the word "Slained" .. it just rolled off my tongue =)... As for fixing it... I'll just fix the "Slained" thing.. the rest shouldn't be too bothersome...

Ahh the mech.. the MOSt problematic unit as far as balacing AND triggering (grr) .. I'll fix the speed upgrade... and the vulture change out time to be a bit longer. I'll have mech better balanced. In the meantime, however, Mech is one of my fav unit in terms of being Annoying =D. (Dark mage being 2nd)

I will fix these... .. This post shall be my checklist =D

Actually Assault has some bugs with its dropship thing. And actually, I sorta wanted the tear gas to affect everyone, cause then it'd be somewhat cheap for the firebat.. If i were to make the caster unaffected, then I'd probably take out the mana drainage of the Tear gas.

THAT i have a definate answer. It was because, with the way i worked the spells, One can only have one spell on at one time. Meaning you probably had ur shields on and couldn't do ur 2nd spell. However, I'm planning to change that, so don't wry.


I"m definately having major problems trying to find the Perfect balance for Summoner... I've tried +1 upgrades, and Summoner REALLY SUCKS if that happens.. So I might try +1 upgrades, but summon 2 zlings per spell instead.. Any suggestions would be nice.

Yeah... .. i'll fix that lol ><"

K i can remove the buildings.. But the fourth spell is cool and more balanced this way.

WOW, i can't believe you noticed THAT... lol.. U see, i started off in v1 starting with only 10% hp.. It seemed too difficult to start off with (especially assassin and light mage) so i started off at 20%.. Made the upgrades +4% each until 34%, and then back to +6% each upgrade... You must have a very mathematical mind!..

Goliath works....
I remembered i fixed the Outpost Warpgate =\.. I better check them again.. They only glitched Once (which i fixed) when i played them.
Volt is a bit buggy too.. but volt's lv 3 spell should be working...
Volt's level 4 shouln't make it invincible.. unless i missed a trigger there.. I'll check it out.... but what i notice is that when Volt dies, and respawns, sometimes he's 100% hp.. I couldn't find why..

It is 150 killscore per 4 exp and 5 minerals. Before, it took a bit longer (250 killscore per 4 exp and 5 min). Different units have different killscore.. Broodlings give 25 killscore.. Heroes give a lot more. However, I've set triggers up so that if you kill the Mutant (killscore = 500) versus killing Volt (killscore = 3000).. you will still get the same amount of exp/money. And i've tested that, so it's good =D.

To Stickynote.. there is No Temple Siege v1.3... Mneox made one in an attempt to balance Summoner (failed) .. and I'm sure some other ppl'd try to make v1.3 or smth else (probably change names to Naruto or smthing lol)

To [Echo] .. Mech was my fav char.. and it rocks :C .. You probably did something wrong >:o there's no way Mech'd suck... If anything, I'd thought ppl'd complain about the Medic.

As for my updates.. it may take some time for me.. cause I'm planning to do the next one in SC2 .. But we'll c =D
If i'm bored enough...

Also, note to all.. random bugs appear probably in players 2,3,5, or 6... Since i only used p1 and p4 for testing... It may be more helpful to tell me which player you were when you found the bug.. TY =D

P.S. erm.. what did ShizTheresABear say about before you edited it, Moose? =O.. please PM me that

Post has been edited 4 time(s), last time on Aug 8 2008, 5:29 am by UnholyUrine.

v1.3 was made by some random pubby(Urine in his benevolence left v1.2open). I still don't know what exactly he changed in it. Probably just boosted his favorite character.
Plz do not host this version like the rest of b.net does just because the number is higher. I'd hate for this to turn into hero wars.

Depending on how much energy the DA starts with, this might work. Also, it has too much shields IMO.

I've played enough to say +4 is definitely too much. +3 might be good.
If the Ultra transform could last slightly longer, that would be cool too.

There's a lot of unpolished text... I really wish that all of it got cleaned up, standardized, centered/colored better. If you polished up the text and other parts of the map, it would look as amazing as it plays.
You also have some units in the game that are unnamed... like Terran Missile Turret.

Why? The firebat already can't attack because he has to go into the Dweb to chase... the least you could do is give him that ability to chase.

Yeah, that was the problem. It's good to disallow multicast for transformed Archon and stuff, but for a class like Warrior, it doesn't make sense.

Yeah, I could imagine. My other suggestion is in the post though. Or you could just jack the cost of the attack speed upgrade to 100 or something.

This is correct, I do. HP seemed a little low. I roughly estimated what 6% was and noticed I wasn't getting it. Still, you can't reach 34% from 20% by 4%s...

I've seen some "hey I'm going to attack this unit before you pick it" and then pick = death because the unit went off the beacon. Might want to change the location on the give there.

Regarding the other bugs he listed, they may have been leftovers from the 1.0 post.

Mech is all right, but it doesn't seem to measure up to the otherclasses. Some improvements, especially fixing the Vulture form, will really help it out. The strength of it seems to be versatility, so speed when you need it will do wonders.
Medic is a beautiful support class. I wouldn't touch it when I'm going solo, or even with just one teammate, but she can turn the tides of battle when played properly with two teammates.

We're more than willing to do the work for you. Just say the word.

I fully retract this statement. Strike it from the records. I finally saw this special in action tonight. Forget that I ever said anything bad about it.
It is fine left alone. Forget that I said this too.

The chokepoint coming straight north out of the south team's base gets some serious clog problems, as well as the northeast outpost. I've seen some nasty clogs with several hundred Broodlings or Zerglings.

Also, the spell list for Volt lies for certain players. It has the old 4-hallu spell listed.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Aug 8 2008, 7:08 am by Mini Moose 2707.

BUG REPORT: Using Crippling Strike on the Mutant while he has his multi-ling spell going causes all of the lings to remain neutral and never die. Not really critical, but annoying.

Edit: Bolded to point out typo in the first post.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Aug 8 2008, 8:39 pm by HailFire.

I made some updates to the first post (I really need to redo the character descriptions though...halp?).

I think you should be more creative with your approach to balancing dark orb. Mael should still be increased to 70 keeping the starting energy at 200, but the actual DA should be a very fragile unit (it's kinda like a crystal ball right?). The DA gives ridiculous XP, and exploiting this should be the main idea behind balancing it. I suggest a DA with 25 hp, and 50-100 shields.


I volunteer moose to do it for you.

I think we all have our own units that we are the best with that other people don't seem to grasp. urine has mech, you have mutant, but I actually have firebat. I'm very good with firebat already, and as much as I'd like to have teargas not affect me, I know I'd be OP asking for it. Leave assault alone.


Defiler is almost completely balanced as it is. I think nerfing it anymore more would turn people off. It really wasn't unbeatable in v1 even. If I had to change something, I guess I would make ling attack speed 100 minerals though.

I think we should go back to the old hp system. I liked it better.

...srsly, change it back!

Those were all v1 bugs. I updated it now.

I thought mech could use more hp, but if you say you're aleady winning with it, then nvm. As for the medic, it actually oes need a boost. I'm not sure if it already is, but medic's spell effect (especialy lv2) should have the longest range in the game. Medic requires the most micro out of all the units because of nurses, but after testing with experienced players, it's just too much. The nurses need a %50 hp increase, and a way to actually give control of them over to an allie, so they can worry about it following them and keeping them alive. This is what I suggest. If an allie is next to a nurse, and there is no medic near by, the player is given the nurse. If with the the medic would still require ridiculous control.

This wasn't mentioned, but the hydra's support archers really need to have +2, not +1. Hydra usually upgrades muta attack more than his own anyways.


And finally my question:
Are there any paralysing or curse type spells that effects summons? Which are they exactly?
Do all of the mech's transformations heal at temple AND with medic's lv4?

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Aug 8 2008, 8:13 pm by ClansAreForGays.

If I get bored enough I can pitch my 2 cents on the heroes. Strategy guide? Lulz.

I don't understand how you can be winning with mech. I was playing as Mech and was 5 or 10 levels above the other players, (I had the most EXP the entire game.) and they could still ruin my shit fairly easily. I even ran through all three forms against one person six levels below me and still had to run... and was lucky to do so.
The upgrade damage for Mech's Seiged Tank spells (+2) is also in need of a serious boost. Lurkers get +4 but Tanks get +2? That makes no sense. I would give Mech's tank spells a +5 upgrade at least. Maybe even +6 or more.

Agreed.
Disable should either have a bigger range... or last longer. 20 seconds doesn't seem like very long.
Spawned Medics are too weak, especially with the XP they give. DA gets 500 shields, but if you poke a medic she'll fall to pieces. Something needs to be done about both of those.

Agreed. Summoning companion arhcers seems to be rather underpowered as it is. In fact, if you want to keep it the way it is, it should be switched with the 2nd spell. If you don't want to, the companion Archers need a serious powerup... +2 definitely.
I also think that all of the Zerg buildings should take a little longer to build.

They all heal at Temple. (It's tough to make the Mech worse, but wow, mech would be a joke if they didn't ) I haven't seen the Medic's LV4 used on the Mech.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Aug 8 2008, 10:02 pm by Mini Moose 2707.

volt's Lv1 spell is FUCKING RIGGED. Either it zaps mana, or it freezes. one or the other! I just got owned by a kid 3 times straight 4 minutes into game just from him using his ups on mana regen and spamming that spell. regened faster than the duration. Ofcourse I would have been fine if I could have cast any of my own spells, but this lv1 really does it all!

CHANGE IT NOW!

As much as I love Volt, I have to agree and admit that he's overpowered. He is second only to Infested Kerrigan. (Well, he's the anti-Kerrigan, actually. And much much more.) The way the map is now, a team of Kerrigan and Volt in the hands of experienced players is almost unstoppable.
The Volt is an OP character now, but I have some ideas that I'll write out later. (gotta go for now)

Okay.. before i go on.. I must thank you all for helping me so much
It has been awesome trying to make this map right, and definately hard as hell to balance =)
With so many comments.. i can't even play my map public anymore :C... i have to fix them all beforehand ><"
so Get rdy for tha real v1.3 verrry soon

To Hailfire: Nice bug found.. I can deal with that.. This is because the Crippling strike is able to paralyse summoned units.
I shall fix up the Vulture form a bit more.. and the Volt's lying spell description
The clog thing tho.. i think is fine. I used it to my advantage too =).. But it doesn't seem too important, since there're still 2 ways the spawn units can move and fight.
I will also fix Mech's Tanks attack upgrade..
I will also make Disable a teeny wit longer.
As for the HP system.. I think it is a good way to make it so that noobs don't get owned very easily.. and it also makes upgrading HP not that important.
I am also going to fix's Volt's Spell 1 by making the paralysing shorter and make it so that the person can only be shocked by 1 scourge at 1 time.

As of CAFG's questions.. Crippling Strike and Static Charge paralyses spawn units permanently (gives to p12).
also Firebat's grenade and bomber kills spawn units.
Right now, healing Mech in temple heals all four units.. but healing with medic's lev 4 only heals the Mech mode that is out

I really suggest that you call it either v1.3b or v1.4

Pubs are already hosting illegitimate 1.3's and I just see alot of overwriting taking place.... for the worse.

This is an awesome map, but it does need polishing here and there. Of course, these things may not still be around for the next version, so... :l

Assault
The Assault lives up to his name, and can usually kill off any hero (aside from the stunwhores) without any spells. His first level spell is practically useless unless you're running away, and even then you can just stim your way out of anything. If he had at least SOME range, perhaps it would be a nice spell to use. The second spell is practically an ensured stun thanks to the spell's range and speed, and the bomber is one of his most useful spells because he can use it as a transport as well as lock someone in stun. His fourth is a very fun spell to use, especially when anti-stealth characters (Ops and Mutant) aren't in play. A good two nukes to the temple and it's GFG.

(Funny thing, If you drop a ghost next to the enemy teleporter at their bas3e and they have captured that point, the ghost practically has immunity to melee characters as well as people not expecting it)

Dark Mage

Definately overpowered. Her first spell creates a Dark Templar with maelstrom that can be used 3 times... that's even cheaper than Carpet Bombing (4 stuns for 80). I haven't played her, but she's one hell of a powerhouse if used correctly. I don't think even a newbie will have a problem using her.

Volt

Also haven't used this guy, but his spell that stuns and drains mana is way over powered. I kinda don't think it fits with his other spell, where he becomes ANGRY SUPER VOLT! ;p

Special Ops

Ops is a very cool character, and pretty darn balanced. His first ability will help get a nice amount of levels early on, and his second ability makes for a decent and cheap defense when you don't have the minerals for a cannon. His third is practically invaluable for it's uses (Detection, Shields, AND it can kill anything trying to run away ). The fourth? While it's hard to use, you can use it to trap the enemy in a barrier of mines while dancing around and shooting him while he explodes to death. Very awesome when it's pulled off.

Warrior

Warrior is also quite well balanced, my only complaint (although it may be intentional) is how high his damage gets. Zealots deal double their damage, mind you. His abilities are quite nice, and he seems built for 1 on 1 fights. Eventually he can handle multiple opponents with Immortality Shield and Charge of Courage?, easily starting the final assault on the enemy base and finishing it that quickly.

General

Some things just don't seem to be worth buying. For example, all of the creature spawning buildings are just not worth it, since they'll just become exp to the enemy team. Armor is just not worth it, since it costs more to nullify attack bonuses than it does to increase attack damage. Maybe if it were... 2+2x minerals? I dunno.

I can't wait for the next version!

Earlier I played against some noob and it was funny, because all I got was like, lvl 2 spell + a LOT of mana upgrades, and whenever he came near me trying to kill me, I pumped reavers out and he got trapped and facking raped.

I think I noticed a bug however, not major, but probably worth checking.

I had 280 mana cap, I upgraded and it didn't go to 300, I upgraded again and it went to 320, so I am assuming that when copy and pasting you missed something, but the HT's 300 mana cap is messed up, 280 and 320 worked fine though...

im not sure if there has been a fairly recent fix for it and im not sure if its on purpose but it seems alil over powered that Special Ops can EMP volt to essentially no HP even with maxed hp youll only have like 1000hp with 3armor,very cheap lategame =/

Zealot really needs that high damage to be competitive. The fact that his attack is cut down twice by armor is balance enough. The solution to zealot might just be to spam armor. Maybe your also onto something with reducing armor upgrade factor cost just a smidge.

I can live with volt having a sinlge very underused character having a sick advntage over him, since he's so god dam good in every other situation. Don't forget about allie support though. I was able to just feedback vessels for my pner so he never had to worry about that. It's a team dynamic.

I'm not sure if this was mentioned yet, but could you place a timer for hero picking? As I was in a game where the guy decided to be gay and not pick at all, and he was the host. It doesn't have to be short, just a reasonable time.

I dunno if it's a bug, or just an innate ability, but player as purple assault none of my spells affected blue special ops. I was useless.