I personally believe the United States has become to religious, and that is getting in the way of science, such as Stem Cell research. Politicians are basing their stances based on religious morals, not scientific contribution.

I personally believe the United States has become to religious, and that is getting in the way of science, such as Stem Cell research. Politicians are basing their stances based on religious morals, not scientific contribution.

Yeah - religion is a big thing holding back technology which could save lives or progress society. However, the US has always been 'too religious.' It's just more noticeable now because people are better-educated.

Yeah - religion is a big thing holding back technology which could save lives or progress society. However, the US has always been 'too religious.' It's just more noticeable now because people are better-educated.

Yes, this country has always been too religious, despite what the founders of this country wanted. Is it true that many Europeans and the countries are secular and less religious.?

Yes, this country has always been too religious, despite what the founders of this country wanted. Is it true that many Europeans and the countries are secular and less religious.?

Europeans in general are more secular, but their governments are not so. Take Britain for example, the queen is the head of both the church and the state, and you have to pay tax money to support the church.

Europeans in general are more secular, but their governments are not so. Take Britain for example, the queen is the head of both the church and the state, and you have to pay tax money to support the church.

[quote=WoAHorde]Any time the West invades the Middle East the ME calls it a crusade.[/quote] umm last time I check'd america got attack;d first LOL I hate illegal's and before you say " omg they are people wah wah wah" true they are people, witch belong to mexico not america, thats why we got country's no? and yes they do take our jobs. " they took are jabs!!! " haha south park! funny. I work construction, and my dad's friend use's illegals now he could be using other people who pay bill's who really need the money but nope, illegals. and for entrapeanuour " buienss owner " you got to pay additional fee's for owning a buieness , like insurance and other hidden fee's that stupid people who say " omg they arnt taking our jabss " don't know about, because they are spending 30 grand + on college eduction witch i dought they will even do what they went to college to do. and Illegal's also get free medical care. some of my family member's have vary bad medical issues, we spend over 30 grand a year in medical alone. why don't illegal's get to pay 1 penny? If you really want to talk to me and you think you got the bawls to try to talk to me because I hate typing back and fourth add me Kaokenshin@hotmail.com I got vent and or mic on msn. come see it.

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Any time the West invades the Middle East the ME calls it a crusade.

umm last time I check'd america got attack;d first LOL


I hate illegal's and before you say " omg they are people wah wah wah"

true they are people, witch belong to mexico not america, thats why we got country's no?

and yes they do take our jobs. " they took are jabs!!! " haha south park! funny.

I work construction, and my dad's friend use's illegals now he could be using other people who pay bill's who really need the money but nope, illegals.

and for entrapeanuour " buienss owner " you got to pay additional fee's for owning a buieness , like insurance and other hidden fee's that stupid people who say " omg they arnt taking our jabss " don't know about, because they are spending 30 grand + on college eduction witch i dought they will even do what they went to college to do.

and Illegal's also get free medical care. some of my family member's have vary bad medical issues, we spend over 30 grand a year in medical alone. why don't illegal's get to pay 1 penny?

If you really want to talk to me and you think you got the bawls to try to talk to me because I hate typing back and fourth add me

Kaokenshin@hotmail.com

I got vent and or mic on msn. come see it.

[quote=WoAHorde]I personally believe the United States has become to religious, and that is getting in the way of science, such as Stem Cell research. Politicians are basing their stances based on religious morals, not scientific contribution.[/quote] too religious? So, are you saying we should forget everything this country was based on, and get rid of religion? Thats ridiculous, remember, this country was made for many reasons, but one important one is freedom. You can do anything you want(Thats legal) you can say anything you want, if we didn't have that freedom, you ppl who are critsizing us now, wouldn't be able to do that. And you have freedom of religion, you can believe, and practice whatever religion you want here. Making everyone to be "less" religious would throw away everything this country was made for. I personally am Catholic, and stem cell research is very immoral. Its killing an innocent human being! It's murder, Just like abortion! I mean, how could you kill a human for research, and act like everything is ok?? That's sick, and twisted. Btw...I think America is the best country in the world. We basicly saved the world, in WWII. If we hadn't stepped in, this world world would probably be Nazi now. And its like everyone just forgot about that, and started hating us, thats our thanks for defeating Hitler?? Everyone comes up with the most ridiculous reasons to hate us, and it makes no sense. Of course we're not perfect, but we're a heck lot better than other countries.

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I personally believe the United States has become to religious, and that is getting in the way of science, such as Stem Cell research. Politicians are basing their stances based on religious morals, not scientific contribution.

too religious? So, are you saying we should forget everything this country was based on, and get rid of religion? Thats ridiculous, remember, this country was made for many reasons, but one important one is freedom. You can do anything you want(Thats legal) you can say anything you want, if we didn't have that freedom, you ppl who are critsizing us now, wouldn't be able to do that. And you have freedom of religion, you can believe, and practice whatever religion you want here. Making everyone to be "less" religious would throw away everything this country was made for. I personally am Catholic, and stem cell research is very immoral. Its killing an innocent human being! It's murder, Just like abortion! I mean, how could you kill a human for research, and act like everything is ok?? That's sick, and twisted.

Btw...I think America is the best country in the world. We basicly saved the world, in WWII. If we hadn't stepped in, this world world would probably be Nazi now. And its like everyone just forgot about that, and started hating us, thats our thanks for defeating Hitler?? Everyone comes up with the most ridiculous reasons to hate us, and it makes no sense. Of course we're not perfect, but we're a heck lot better than other countries.

[QUOTE]Yeah - religion is a big thing holding back technology which could save lives or progress society. However, the US has always been 'too religious.' It's just more noticeable now because people are better-educated.[/QUOTE] LOL, look at the US, it is the country that has been creating most new technology and all the other countries have been improving slightly on it or simply replicating it, so unless the other countries are more religious than the US, religion has nothing to do with it.

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Yeah - religion is a big thing holding back technology which could save lives or progress society. However, the US has always been 'too religious.' It's just more noticeable now because people are better-educated.

LOL, look at the US, it is the country that has been creating most new technology and all the other countries have been improving slightly on it or simply replicating it, so unless the other countries are more religious than the US, religion has nothing to do with it.

Stem cells are taken from umbilical cords after the baby has been born. It is not immoral, killing others in the name of religion? That is immoral.

Stem cells are taken from umbilical cords after the baby has been born. It is not immoral, killing others in the name of religion? That is immoral.

I don't know which religions are against it, I know that there are some, but I really don't see a reason why.

I don't know which religions are against it, I know that there are some, but I really don't see a reason why.

I think the most patriotic thing YOU CAN DO is to tell people what's going on in your country. Tell them what's the ills, what's the problems. Be honest, say what you think. If you really want your country to be better, you need to. Undermining your country is a load of crock. If your country can be undermined by someone speaking up about poverty and injustice, what kind of country are you living in? What's the point of protecting such a country? Why did we need to fight the Communists? We were just fighting ourselves, putting people out on the streets and starving people to death. Cutting money from Government social programs. Everyone lost the Cold War. Our world today is proof of that, and we need to speak up about it.

I think the most patriotic thing YOU CAN DO is to tell people what's going on in your country. Tell them what's the ills, what's the problems. Be honest, say what you think.

If you really want your country to be better, you need to. Undermining your country is a load of crock. If your country can be undermined by someone speaking up about poverty and injustice, what kind of country are you living in? What's the point of protecting such a country? Why did we need to fight the Communists? We were just fighting ourselves, putting people out on the streets and starving people to death. Cutting money from Government social programs.

Everyone lost the Cold War. Our world today is proof of that, and we need to speak up about it.

I LOVE America. I love living here, not only that but i love California and personally think its the best state in the U.S.A . I dont like it's how its so hard for outsiders to get into the country though (note i dont read that much news so if i seem to mess up something sorry) . But one place i'd really like to live would probably be canada. ...I LOVE Canada...

I LOVE America.

I love living here, not only that but i love California and personally think its the best state in the U.S.A .

I dont like it's how its so hard for outsiders to get into the country though (note i dont read that much news so if i seem to mess up something sorry) .

But one place i'd really like to live would probably be canada.

...I LOVE Canada...

This country was founded with the right intentions, but it is currently in dire need of reform.

This country was founded with the right intentions, but it is currently in dire need of reform.

[QUOTE]Yeah - religion is a big thing holding back technology which could save lives or progress society. However, the US has always been 'too religious.' It's just more noticeable now because people are better-educated.[/QUOTE] From what I've been observing living here in America, words about religion interfering with our politics or technology speak louder than its actions. You hear people and politicians talk about it all the time, but they rarely ever do something about it (whether it be taking action for or against it). That's the thing about politics today; all people seem to be doing now is just ramble on with their beliefs and stances but not put enough effort into doing anything about it. Everytime i turn to the news, I would hear politicians declare their beliefs, "I AM AGAINST STEM CELL RESEARCH OR I AM AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE BECAUSE [I]<insert opinion>[/I]" and then that's it, I rarely see them doing anything else after that. [quote]I personally believe the United States has become to religious, and that is getting in the way of science, such as Stem Cell research. Politicians are basing their stances based on religious morals, not scientific contribution.[/quote] You dont need religious morals to determine your stance on stem cell research. Kind of like with abortion, it's about whether you are pro-choice, or pro-life. IMO the only issue in which religion plays a role for many people's stances is gay marriage. [quote]Yes, this country has always been too religious, despite what the founders of this country wanted. Is it true that many Europeans and the countries are secular and less religious.?[/quote] Despite what the founders of this country wanted? According to US history, the founders of this country founded this country because in their home country, their government persecuted them for their religion (the church of england was catholic and most of the settlers were persecuted because they were protestant). And because of that, they created the seperation of church and state, the freedom of religion. They want to keep Government out of people's religions; let people practice w/e religion they want. And that's how we've been living today; government not messing with people's religion. We are free to practice our religions here; likewise we are also free to not be religious as well. If this seperation was never created, then there would be no such thing as atheists/agnostics/other religious people living here in America. They'd all be either: chased out of this country, burned on a stake, or forcefully been converted. So even to this day, we've successfully been living up to what the founding fathers wanted: letting people freely practice their religion without government intervention.

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Yeah - religion is a big thing holding back technology which could save lives or progress society. However, the US has always been 'too religious.' It's just more noticeable now because people are better-educated.

From what I've been observing living here in America, words about religion interfering with our politics or technology speak louder than its actions. You hear people and politicians talk about it all the time, but they rarely ever do something about it (whether it be taking action for or against it). That's the thing about politics today; all people seem to be doing now is just ramble on with their beliefs and stances but not put enough effort into doing anything about it. Everytime i turn to the news, I would hear politicians declare their beliefs, "I AM AGAINST STEM CELL RESEARCH OR I AM AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE BECAUSE <insert opinion>" and then that's it, I rarely see them doing anything else after that.

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I personally believe the United States has become to religious, and that is getting in the way of science, such as Stem Cell research. Politicians are basing their stances based on religious morals, not scientific contribution.

You dont need religious morals to determine your stance on stem cell research. Kind of like with abortion, it's about whether you are pro-choice, or pro-life. IMO the only issue in which religion plays a role for many people's stances is gay marriage.

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Yes, this country has always been too religious, despite what the founders of this country wanted. Is it true that many Europeans and the countries are secular and less religious.?

Despite what the founders of this country wanted? According to US history, the founders of this country founded this country because in their home country, their government persecuted them for their religion (the church of england was catholic and most of the settlers were persecuted because they were protestant). And because of that, they created the seperation of church and state, the freedom of religion. They want to keep Government out of people's religions; let people practice w/e religion they want.

And that's how we've been living today; government not messing with people's religion. We are free to practice our religions here; likewise we are also free to not be religious as well. If this seperation was never created, then there would be no such thing as atheists/agnostics/other religious people living here in America. They'd all be either: chased out of this country, burned on a stake, or forcefully been converted. So even to this day, we've successfully been living up to what the founding fathers wanted: letting people freely practice their religion without government intervention.

[quote=WoAHorde]Stem cells are taken from umbilical cords after the baby has been born. It is not immoral, killing others in the name of religion? That is immoral.[/quote] The only time christians fought was in the crusades, that was when the popes were corrupt, but right now, do u see any christians going around killing ppl? No. It's ppl like you who will corrupt the world with the nonsense you call science. Right now you think killing babies just for the mothers relief is ok, what's wrong with that!? After this, who knows what will be next, soon you could be killing full grown human beings just for research! That's how messed up this world is right now, because of ppl like you making excuses to make killing ppl ok.

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Stem cells are taken from umbilical cords after the baby has been born. It is not immoral, killing others in the name of religion? That is immoral.

The only time christians fought was in the crusades, that was when the popes were corrupt, but right now, do u see any christians going around killing ppl? No. It's ppl like you who will corrupt the world with the nonsense you call science. Right now you think killing babies just for the mothers relief is ok, what's wrong with that!? After this, who knows what will be next, soon you could be killing full grown human beings just for research! That's how messed up this world is right now, because of ppl like you making excuses to make killing ppl ok.

First of all, Welcome back to me. Now, to the post...... [QUOTE][quote=WoAHorde] Stem cells are taken from umbilical cords after the baby has been born. It is not immoral, killing others in the name of religion? That is immoral.[/quote] The only time christians fought was in the crusades, that was when the popes were corrupt, but right now, do u see any christians going around killing ppl? No. It's ppl like you who will corrupt the world with the nonsense you call science."[/QUOTE] Lets start out with this gem. How do the crusadeds have anything to do with stem cell research? Ill wait for your responce on that before going any further on that one. Oh yeah, one more thing. A non corrupt pope would be awesome. Someone in a position of power will ALLWAYS be corrupt. End of story. [QUOTE]Right now you think killing babies just for the mothers relief is ok, what's wrong with that!?[/QUOTE] You know, most mothers get an abbortion cus they cannot have a baby, or they will die. Like my girl that i have now. Baby = death for her. Others do it cus they were rapped and they dont want to have that as a reminder. Sounds a little messed up, but i think you would do the same thing, if you could have babys. Its just the rest of the beeches that give it a bad name... [QUOTE]After this, who knows what will be next, soon you could be killing full grown human beings just for research! That's how messed up this world is right now, because of ppl like you making excuses to make killing ppl ok.[/quote] Yeah, we have been killing grown men for YEARS for research. Read a book...

First of all, Welcome back to me.

Now, to the post......

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Stem cells are taken from umbilical cords after the baby has been born. It is not immoral, killing others in the name of religion? That is immoral.

The only time christians fought was in the crusades, that was when the popes were corrupt, but right now, do u see any christians going around killing ppl? No. It's ppl like you who will corrupt the world with the nonsense you call science."

Lets start out with this gem. How do the crusadeds have anything to do with stem cell research? Ill wait for your responce on that before going any further on that one. Oh yeah, one more thing. A non corrupt pope would be awesome. Someone in a position of power will ALLWAYS be corrupt. End of story.

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Right now you think killing babies just for the mothers relief is ok, what's wrong with that!?

You know, most mothers get an abbortion cus they cannot have a baby, or they will die. Like my girl that i have now. Baby = death for her. Others do it cus they were rapped and they dont want to have that as a reminder. Sounds a little messed up, but i think you would do the same thing, if you could have babys.

Its just the rest of the beeches that give it a bad name...

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After this, who knows what will be next, soon you could be killing full grown human beings just for research! That's how messed up this world is right now, because of ppl like you making excuses to make killing ppl ok.

Yeah, we have been killing grown men for YEARS for research. Read a book...

[quote=Falkoner]Good country, founded on good beliefs, the only problem is that nowadays people are getting too fat, and too arrogant.[/quote] I do hope you mean [i][b][u]i[/u][/b][/i]gnorant... [quote=devilesk][quote=Falkoner]Good country, founded on good beliefs, the only problem is that nowadays people are getting too fat, and too arrogant.[/quote] As well as less religious, a bad thing. I eagerly await the second coming of our lord.[/quote] And I eagerly await the day you can think for yourself, and quit following the skeptical beliefs of DrunkenWrestler :) [quote=cheeze][quote]Honestly some of u ppl are not looking at reality. You guys do not realize how great America truly really is when you compare it to all the countries around the world. There might be flaws to our political or economic system, but there's no such thing as a perfect political/economic/etc system. In reality there are minimal, if any, countries that have just as good or better political/economic systems.[/quote] And you can't seem to understand because of this great reality, people here are corrupt, lazy, ignorant, arrogant, and above all else, stupid. Sometimes, you need to look at other countries to see the problem instead of constantly living in this dream world and being ignorant.[/quote] And Cheeze just gained twenty points on my scale. [quote=EcHo]The best country in the world. I hate how other countries thinks we are ignorant. Where would they be without us? Ruled by Hitler. America never said we are perfect, yet other countries say that we claim that. To the people who hate America, give the reasons why. I bet you that there is the same problem in the country you prefer. The only problem I see is the fatness of Americans, but that is only like 13% of America.[/quote] Uh.... WE ARE IGNORANT! Do you know anything about American History? We basically BUTTED into EVERYONEs business when Teddy Rosevelt became president... Because of him, we are now known as "The Worlds Policemen" And I absolutely hate and dispise that title. We need to fix out OWN problems before we try to fix the fucking world.. And the problem I see in America, are blind sheep (such as you) who cannot think for themselves, and believe everything the media tells them. I have five+ relatives and friends in the war and I've talked to them about shit, and every single one of them agree that the media is the problem. If you believe the news, I'm sorry. [quote=cheeze]Is criticism illegal now?[/quote] To people with the lack of intelligence, it seems to be. [quote=R.I.S.K]he was planning on destroying everyone but the people who followed him... his "perfect people"... and im not saying a global communism, but something similar to a global democracy, or whatever form of government, discerned best by a majority of the people.[/quote] You do realise Hitler was a genious, right? He was just a hateful person... [quote=Loser_Musician]America isn't a douche bag country. If it was a douchebag country, there would be at least 100 stars on the flag by now. It's mostly just sitting there chillin keeping an eye on things. Making sure there isn't a WWIII. because unlike WWI and WWII, WWIII is just bad for business.[/quote] Um, we're in the pre-curser to WWIII as we speak... Hell, it may even be WWIII... Its been what, almost seven years, and we're still fighting in the EXACT SAME PLACES? [quote=MindArchon][quote=Phobia][quote=MindArchon]Cough, Nordic countries[/quote] I live in Sweden, if you were serious now: What is making the nordic countries perfect compared to the US? I don't really have any opinion about the issues within US or any views on how US is working at all. But it seems like this country cares too much about things they don't have to care about - USA has to have a piece of every cake.[/quote] I was referring to MillenniumArmy's comment that no economic/political system is comparable to the United States. His statement is obviously highly opinionated. One big piece of evidence is that some of the Nordic countries are consistently ranked as the highest standard of living in the world. I would think its the unique mix of socialism in these countries.[/quote] That's why they call the United States "The Worlds Policemen"... And Socialism is Communism, just a different word... [quote=dumbducky]If oil companies control America, as so many of you believe, then why do we still tax them?[/quote] Well, lets see: Vice President Dick Cheyney (Who also used to be Secritary of Defence, CEO of Haliburton [one of the largest [b]OIL[/b] companies] and is now the Head of the Senate) has just as much (if not more) power as the President.... If you were CEO of an Oil company with TONS of debt racked up and Vice President, wouldn't you devise a way for you to destroy all your records of debt? That's right. I'm talking about the "Twin Towers". Most of you (ones that are blind sheep) will read that (and what I have to say) and say that I'm full of shit. But to each your own. If you want to live in your "the government doesn't lie to me" happy life, then go for it. But I for one, protest against the manslaughter that the goverment concocted (if you try to bash me for my grammar and spelling skills, you already lose the debate) on September 11th, 2001. All to get rid of Oil Debts, so people could get more. That's right: Money. [quote=Vhaeraun][quote=dumbducky]If oil companies control America, as so many of you believe, then why do we still tax them?[/quote] Maybe it is a cover up? I like America except for the fact we as a nation don't care enough about politics and such until it affects our life in a bad way. Most people didn't care about Bush winning his first presidential election until all the 9/11 stuff happened, but seriously if people are going to complain about Bush they had every chance to vote for someone else in both of his elections. It is also the duty of a citizen to be informed, ignorance is not an excuse. I too fall into the category of the uninformed but I see why it is important that I should be.[/quote] I voted for Gore the first time. I voted for Bush the second time. It was the lesser of two evils at that point. Someone for Oil, or someone for the International Bankers whom have slowly been destroying our country since the early 1900s? I'd rather vote for a corrupt Oil man, then someone who is slowly destroying the United States. Oh, and by the way dumbducky, did you know that the Bush Family is only in power because, oh no! Here it comes! Oil. That's right. Good ol' Grandpa Bush struck it rich in Texas cause of Oil. Hmm.... We're in the Middle East (Where there's "tons" of oil), fighting against "infidels" (Um, we're the [i]real[/i] infidels) who are trying to "destroy american beliefs" Why is it that these "terrorists" only started to really attack in the late 80s? (Which again, a BUSH was in power) Oh, that's right. Because the two most powerfull individuals in congress have heavy ties with Oil. One being a CEO of a company, and one being rich because of it. [quote=Wilhelm]I think the most patriotic thing YOU CAN DO is to tell people what's going on in your country. Tell them what's the ills, what's the problems. Be honest, say what you think. If you really want your country to be better, you need to. Undermining your country is a load of crock. If your country can be undermined by someone speaking up about poverty and injustice, what kind of country are you living in? What's the point of protecting such a country? Why did we need to fight the Communists? We were just fighting ourselves, putting people out on the streets and starving people to death. Cutting money from Government social programs. Everyone lost the Cold War. Our world today is proof of that, and we need to speak up about it.[/quote] And every time I speak up about it, the blind sheep of society, call me a Conspiracy Theorist. [quote=Redhead][quote=WoAHorde]Stem cells are taken from umbilical cords after the baby has been born. It is not immoral, killing others in the name of religion? That is immoral.[/quote] The only time christians fought was in the crusades, that was when the popes were corrupt, but right now, do u see any christians going around killing ppl? No. It's ppl like you who will corrupt the world with the nonsense you call science. Right now you think killing babies just for the mothers relief is ok, what's wrong with that!? After this, who knows what will be next, soon you could be killing full grown human beings just for research! That's how messed up this world is right now, because of ppl like you making excuses to make killing ppl ok.[/quote] Okay, first off: You're stupid. You have down right pissed me off with this lame ass, IGNORANT retort: [quote]Right now you think killing babies just for the mothers relief is ok, what's wrong with that!?[/quote] Yes actually, I do. If my mother's life and good will would be at stake with my birth, i'd want that bitch to "kill" me. But that's me. But yeah, I hope you die. I really do. Its retards like you that keep this country under the totalitarian dictatorship of the Bush Regime. So you're telling me, that because my girlfriend was rapped and can't afford ANOTHER child (she already has one), she's evil because she thought about the stability of her family? Fuck off, retard. And YES, I DO SEE CHRISTIANS KILLING PEOPLE: The United States Of America's CEO: George W. Bush. For your information, Catholisism is Christianity, fucking retard.

[quote=Falkoner]Good country, founded on good beliefs, the only problem is that nowadays people are getting too fat, and too arrogant.[/quote]

I do hope you mean ignorant...

[quote=devilesk][quote=Falkoner]Good country, founded on good beliefs, the only problem is that nowadays people are getting too fat, and too arrogant.[/quote]
As well as less religious, a bad thing. I eagerly await the second coming of our lord.[/quote]

And I eagerly await the day you can think for yourself, and quit following the skeptical beliefs of DrunkenWrestler

[quote=cheeze][quote]Honestly some of u ppl are not looking at reality. You guys do not realize how great America truly really is when you compare it to all the countries around the world. There might be flaws to our political or economic system, but there's no such thing as a perfect political/economic/etc system. In reality there are minimal, if any, countries that have just as good or better political/economic systems.[/quote]
And you can't seem to understand because of this great reality, people here are corrupt, lazy, ignorant, arrogant, and above all else, stupid.


Sometimes, you need to look at other countries to see the problem instead of constantly living in this dream world and being ignorant.[/quote]

And Cheeze just gained twenty points on my scale.

[quote=EcHo]The best country in the world. I hate how other countries thinks we are ignorant. Where would they be without us? Ruled by Hitler. America never said we are perfect, yet other countries say that we claim that. To the people who hate America, give the reasons why. I bet you that there is the same problem in the country you prefer. The only problem I see is the fatness of Americans, but that is only like 13% of America.[/quote]

Uh.... WE ARE IGNORANT!

Do you know anything about American History? We basically BUTTED into EVERYONEs business when Teddy Rosevelt became president... Because of him, we are now known as "The Worlds Policemen"

And I absolutely hate and dispise that title. We need to fix out OWN problems before we try to fix the fucking world..

And the problem I see in America, are blind sheep (such as you) who cannot think for themselves, and believe everything the media tells them. I have five+ relatives and friends in the war and I've talked to them about shit, and every single one of them agree that the media is the problem.

If you believe the news, I'm sorry.

[quote=cheeze]Is criticism illegal now?[/quote]

To people with the lack of intelligence, it seems to be.

[quote=R.I.S.K]he was planning on destroying everyone but the people who followed him... his "perfect people"... and im not saying a global communism, but something similar to a global democracy, or whatever form of government, discerned best by a majority of the people.[/quote]

You do realise Hitler was a genious, right? He was just a hateful person...

[quote=Loser_Musician]America isn't a douche bag country. If it was a douchebag country, there would be at least 100 stars on the flag by now.

It's mostly just sitting there chillin keeping an eye on things. Making sure there isn't a WWIII. because unlike WWI and WWII, WWIII is just bad for business.[/quote]

Um, we're in the pre-curser to WWIII as we speak... Hell, it may even be WWIII... Its been what, almost seven years, and we're still fighting in the EXACT SAME PLACES?

[quote=MindArchon][quote=Phobia][quote=MindArchon]Cough, Nordic countries[/quote]

I live in Sweden, if you were serious now: What is making the nordic countries perfect compared to the US?

I don't really have any opinion about the issues within US or any views on how US is working at all. But it seems like this country cares too much about things they don't have to care about - USA has to have a piece of every cake.[/quote]


I was referring to MillenniumArmy's comment that no economic/political system is comparable to the United States. His statement is obviously highly opinionated.

One big piece of evidence is that some of the Nordic countries are consistently ranked as the highest standard of living in the world. I would think its the unique mix of socialism in these countries.[/quote]

That's why they call the United States "The Worlds Policemen"...


And Socialism is Communism, just a different word...

[quote=dumbducky]If oil companies control America, as so many of you believe, then why do we still tax them?[/quote]

Well, lets see:

Vice President Dick Cheyney (Who also used to be Secritary of Defence, CEO of Haliburton [one of the largest OIL companies] and is now the Head of the Senate) has just as much (if not more) power as the President....

If you were CEO of an Oil company with TONS of debt racked up and Vice President, wouldn't you devise a way for you to destroy all your records of debt?


That's right. I'm talking about the "Twin Towers".

Most of you (ones that are blind sheep) will read that (and what I have to say) and say that I'm full of shit.

But to each your own. If you want to live in your "the government doesn't lie to me" happy life, then go for it.

But I for one, protest against the manslaughter that the goverment concocted (if you try to bash me for my grammar and spelling skills, you already lose the debate) on September 11th, 2001. All to get rid of Oil Debts, so people could get more. That's right:

Money.

[quote=Vhaeraun][quote=dumbducky]If oil companies control America, as so many of you believe, then why do we still tax them?[/quote]

Maybe it is a cover up?

I like America except for the fact we as a nation don't care enough about politics and such until it affects our life in a bad way. Most people didn't care about Bush winning his first presidential election until all the 9/11 stuff happened, but seriously if people are going to complain about Bush they had every chance to vote for someone else in both of his elections. It is also the duty of a citizen to be informed, ignorance is not an excuse.

I too fall into the category of the uninformed but I see why it is important that I should be.[/quote]

I voted for Gore the first time.

I voted for Bush the second time. It was the lesser of two evils at that point.

Someone for Oil, or someone for the International Bankers whom have slowly been destroying our country since the early 1900s?

I'd rather vote for a corrupt Oil man, then someone who is slowly destroying the United States.

Oh, and by the way dumbducky, did you know that the Bush Family is only in power because, oh no! Here it comes!


Oil.



That's right. Good ol' Grandpa Bush struck it rich in Texas cause of Oil.


Hmm.... We're in the Middle East (Where there's "tons" of oil), fighting against "infidels" (Um, we're the real infidels) who are trying to "destroy american beliefs"

Why is it that these "terrorists" only started to really attack in the late 80s? (Which again, a BUSH was in power)

Oh, that's right. Because the two most powerfull individuals in congress have heavy ties with Oil.

One being a CEO of a company, and one being rich because of it.

[quote=Wilhelm]I think the most patriotic thing YOU CAN DO is to tell people what's going on in your country. Tell them what's the ills, what's the problems. Be honest, say what you think.

If you really want your country to be better, you need to. Undermining your country is a load of crock. If your country can be undermined by someone speaking up about poverty and injustice, what kind of country are you living in? What's the point of protecting such a country? Why did we need to fight the Communists? We were just fighting ourselves, putting people out on the streets and starving people to death. Cutting money from Government social programs.

Everyone lost the Cold War. Our world today is proof of that, and we need to speak up about it.[/quote]

And every time I speak up about it, the blind sheep of society, call me a Conspiracy Theorist.

[quote=Redhead][quote=WoAHorde]Stem cells are taken from umbilical cords after the baby has been born. It is not immoral, killing others in the name of religion? That is immoral.[/quote]
The only time christians fought was in the crusades, that was when the popes were corrupt, but right now, do u see any christians going around killing ppl? No. It's ppl like you who will corrupt the world with the nonsense you call science. Right now you think killing babies just for the mothers relief is ok, what's wrong with that!? After this, who knows what will be next, soon you could be killing full grown human beings just for research! That's how messed up this world is right now, because of ppl like you making excuses to make killing ppl ok.[/quote]

Okay, first off:

You're stupid.

You have down right pissed me off with this lame ass, IGNORANT retort:

[quote]Right now you think killing babies just for the mothers relief is ok, what's wrong with that!?[/quote]

Yes actually, I do.

If my mother's life and good will would be at stake with my birth, i'd want that bitch to "kill" me.

But that's me.

But yeah, I hope you die. I really do. Its retards like you that keep this country under the totalitarian dictatorship of the Bush Regime.

So you're telling me, that because my girlfriend was rapped and can't afford ANOTHER child (she already has one), she's evil because she thought about the stability of her family?

Fuck off, retard.

And YES, I DO SEE CHRISTIANS KILLING PEOPLE: The United States Of America's CEO: George W. Bush.


For your information, Catholisism is Christianity, fucking retard.

@Kellimus, right now no one is going to read your post. Click "edit post", then on the bottom left right below the reply box check off "bbcode". Then your quotes will work. kthx

@Kellimus, right now no one is going to read your post. Click "edit post", then on the bottom left right below the reply box check off "bbcode". Then your quotes will work. kthx

[QUOTE=Kellimus][quote=devilesk][quote=Falkoner]Good country, founded on good beliefs, the only problem is that nowadays people are getting too fat, and too arrogant.[/quote] As well as less religious, a bad thing. I eagerly await the second coming of our lord.[/quote] And I eagerly await the day you can think for yourself, and quit following the skeptical beliefs of DrunkenWrestler :) [/QUOTE] My post at that time had nothing to do with anything DrunkenWrestler believes at all. It was actually a joke too. DrunkenWrestler is an atheist too.

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Good country, founded on good beliefs, the only problem is that nowadays people are getting too fat, and too arrogant.

As well as less religious, a bad thing. I eagerly await the second coming of our lord.

And I eagerly await the day you can think for yourself, and quit following the skeptical beliefs of DrunkenWrestler

My post at that time had nothing to do with anything DrunkenWrestler believes at all. It was actually a joke too. DrunkenWrestler is an atheist too.

Well, the education system is horrible, with about 90% of all teens being wanna-be gangsters. None of the speeches about how drugs are bad do anything, really - if those speeches hadn't been made, I'd know helluva lot less about drugs then I do now. We're powerful... we have the power to destroy a lot of the world using nuksies.. Oh, and we're arrogant and ignorant as hell, bossing the rest of the world around.. something needs to change.

Well, the education system is horrible, with about 90% of all teens being wanna-be gangsters. None of the speeches about how drugs are bad do anything, really - if those speeches hadn't been made, I'd know helluva lot less about drugs then I do now.

We're powerful... we have the power to destroy a lot of the world using nuksies.. Oh, and we're arrogant and ignorant as hell, bossing the rest of the world around.. something needs to change.

Kellimus calm down. It's a sensitive topic but there's way to show your opinion without butchering down the English language to calling people retards and morons. This is just a cautionary warn but don't do it again. [QUOTE]Well, the education system is horrible, with about 90% of all teens being wanna-be gangsters. None of the speeches about how drugs are bad do anything, really - if those speeches hadn't been made, I'd know helluva lot less about drugs then I do now.[/QUOTE] You can't stop teenagers from making bad decision. It shouldn't be the education system's fault for people