World of Warcraft: Cataclysm (Topic)

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World of Warcraft(R): Cataclysm(TM) in Stores Starting December 7

IRVINE, Calif., Oct 04, 2010 (BUSINESS WIRE) � Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. today announced that World of Warcraft(R): Cataclysm(TM), the highly anticipated third expansion for the world's most popular subscription-based massively multiplayer online role-playing game*, will be released starting on December 7, 2010. The expansion will be available on DVD-ROM for Windows(R) XP/Windows Vista(R)/Windows(R) 7 and Macintosh(R) at a suggested retail price of $39.99 and will also be offered as a digital download from the Blizzard Store. A special Collector's Edition packed with bonus items will be available exclusively in retail stores for a suggested retail price of $79.99.

"Cataclysm includes the best content we've ever created for World of Warcraft. It's not just an expansion, but a re-creation of much of the original Azeroth, complete with epic new high-level adventures for current players and a redesigned leveling experience for those just starting out," said Mike Morhaime, CEO and cofounder of Blizzard Entertainment. "With the help of our beta testers, we're putting on the final polish, and we look forward to welcoming gamers around the world to enjoy it in just a couple of months."

The first two World of Warcraft expansions, The Burning Crusade(R) and Wrath of the Lich King(R), each shattered PC game sales records upon their release.* In Cataclysm, the face of Azeroth will be forever altered by the return of the corrupted Dragon Aspect Deathwing. Players will explore once-familiar areas of the world that have now been reshaped by the devastation and filled with new adventures. In an effort to survive the planet-shattering cataclysm, two new playable races � worgen and goblins � will join the struggle between the Alliance and the Horde. As players journey to the new level cap of 85, they'll discover newly revealed locations, acquire new levels of power, and come face to face with Deathwing in a battle to determine the fate of the world.

The beta test for World of Warcraft: Cataclysm is currently underway. Visit the official Battle.net(R) website at http://www.battle.net to set up a Battle.net account and sign up for a chance to participate. To learn more about World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, visit http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm.

So who buying and going to be playing it?

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I'll be getting the Collector's Edition as always.

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I suppose I'll buy it. Sort of promised my friends that I would join them making a small raiding guild with only people we know. And of course I need a level 85 Warrior too :awesome:

60, 70 and 80. It's time for my first Horde Warrior! Gogo Belf!
Also, yay for Single-Minded Fury!

I will. Also hoping that Warriors wont be the red-headed step child of tanks any more, so I can go back to tanking.

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I might buy it, but the same thing always happens with World of Warcraft, I get terribly addicted for a couple of months and then get burned out when all my friends leave the game, has happened for the original and both expansions now, lol. :awesome:

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What do you mean? It's only Warrior and Paladin who can tank properly imo, unless the other two classes have very good gear.

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Though I do agree with that about Druids, a good Frost DK tank doesn't have to be geared to do well. It helps the healer out, but they can still hold aggro and pop damage reduction CDs. After I hit 80 on my DK, I immediately went for dual-wielding Frost tank spec, and have received tons of compliments about how I tank with him. I guess most DK tanks blow, though, so I suppose I can see why most would need good gear.

I'm still not sure what I want to get to 85 first. I've been playing my Shaman and Paladin in the Cata beta, and both are immensely fun. Still not a fan of the new talent tree mechanic where you have to pick a spec and stick to it while leveling, though.

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I thought Blood DKs were the end-game tanks for WotLK, did they nerf the death knights tanking ability? Are Death Knights only good at tanking because they scale better?

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In our guild we had a Pally (my brother) and a Blood-DK tank, which could out perform any other type of tank of similar gear level (I was undergeared, point one). However, the main difference is that Pallys and DKs have very good AoE tanking abilities, and generally do not have to be as well geared to perform as well as a Warrior tank or a Druid tank. With a Druid tank, you don't really have to worry about gear, since you don't have to balance Def-Rating, armor, or stamina, pretty much if it's a leather piece with high stamina, then take it. Although a Warrior tank can generally out threat a druid in a single or dual target scenario, they generally don't have as high of an armor value and no where near the health pool. The shield block is supposed to make up for it, but in the long run, the defensive cool downs of the other tanks tend to make them shine a bit brighter than the Warrior. Warriors ave to be very highly geared to tank as well.

However, when they are, they are definitely the best choice for the majority of boss battles.

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I thought Blood DKs were the end-game tanks for WotLK, did they nerf the death knights tanking ability? Are Death Knights only good at tanking because they scale better?

That was the case until a patch or two ago when they completely buffed dual-wielding frost DK tanks. I specced my DK that way and its great. Somehow I manage to pull aggro from other tanks without taunts, even. It is a huge pain in the ass to OT with it, though, because you often have to attack due to too much threat.

In Cata, though, that'll all be gone as blood will be the only tank spec.

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I thought Blood DKs were the end-game tanks for WotLK, did they nerf the death knights tanking ability? Are Death Knights only good at tanking because they scale better?

That was the case until a patch or two ago when they completely buffed dual-wielding frost DK tanks. I specced my DK that way and its great. Somehow I manage to pull aggro from other tanks without taunts, even. It is a huge pain in the ass to OT with it, though, because you often have to attack due to too much threat.

In Cata, though, that'll all be gone as blood will be the only tank spec.

I scanned that over and that was my old dual-wield build for tanking I used to use before I switched to Blood-tanking (which is lolzy with dnd + t10 2p + morbidty) but your build is basically the same besides that I pick up Icy Talons by dropping two points in Bladed Armor and CoTG. What did they exactly buff? Frost has always been high on threat while Blood has always been better stamina wise, which is why most end-game tanks go stamina, because EH > threat

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If I remember correctly, dual-wielding tanks used to have bigger issues with threat because with two faster weapons, they do less damage per hit than with one swing of a two-hander. The buff I'm talking about was when the Threat of Thassarian talent was modified to include Rune Strike (as in when your off-hand strike hits, Rune Strike can now be applied to that as well as any other "Strike"), which is a large boost in threat. Obviously a simple Icy Touch manages to boost threat like crazy, so in the long run I guess it doesn't matter. I have heard a lot of people tell me that I should do blood tanking instead, but I like having two weapons with defense, dodge, and parry, and really the 3% increase to stamina from Veteran of the Third War isn't that important to me if I went blood instead considering I have more avoidance as frost.

So far I've tanked 10/12 ICC fights and haven't had an issue so far with him. I never want to do Sindragosa again, so I doubt I'll ever tank her with my DK. And as for the Lich King, I'm unfortunately stuck as my guild's best healer so I doubt I'll ever get the chance to tank it prior to Cata's release.

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If I remember correctly, dual-wielding tanks used to have bigger issues with threat because with two faster weapons, they do less damage per hit than with one swing of a two-hander. The buff I'm talking about was when the Threat of Thassarian talent was modified to include Rune Strike (as in when your off-hand strike hits, Rune Strike can now be applied to that as well as any other "Strike"), which is a large boost in threat. Obviously a simple Icy Touch manages to boost threat like crazy, so in the long run I guess it doesn't matter. I have heard a lot of people tell me that I should do blood tanking instead, but I like having two weapons with defense, dodge, and parry, and really the 3% increase to stamina from Veteran of the Third War isn't that important to me if I went blood instead considering I have more avoidance as frost.

So far I've tanked 10/12 ICC fights and haven't had an issue so far with him. I never want to do Sindragosa again, so I doubt I'll ever tank her with my DK. And as for the Lich King, I'm unfortunately stuck as my guild's best healer so I doubt I'll ever get the chance to tank it prior to Cata's release.

Yeah, another part of the problem is that generally your chance to miss, be dodged or be parried, meaning a slightly lower damage output resulting in slightly less damage. Also, not sure if they changed it yet (can't remember if it is pre-cat or post-cat), but being parried would make the enemy attack faster, resulting in more damage taken. But they are supposed to be getting rid of this.

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I'll joyfully quest and see the sights, try to be serious for a month after I reach 85, and then quit.

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Yeah, another part of the problem is that generally your chance to miss, be dodged or be parried, meaning a slightly lower damage output resulting in slightly less damage. Also, not sure if they changed it yet (can't remember if it is pre-cat or post-cat), but being parried would make the enemy attack faster, resulting in more damage taken. But they are supposed to be getting rid of this.

Yeah, that problem still exists. And you bring up a good point, I completely forgot that the hit cap for an off-hand weapon is unreachable, resulting in more misses than necessary. I'm still a fan of tanking like that, despite this.