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[2017-1-15. : 5:32 am]  NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: i was talking about the merits of the rule (there are none) "the rule" is not to post unprotectors (which wasn't broken) to not overrule a mapmakers decision to have maps be closed source (the merit). So I'm really not sure where you're going with that comment.[2017-1-15. : 5:25 am]  Sie_Sayoka -- also moose in channel ping is only taken when u enter it so its not real time[2017-1-15. : 5:13 am]  O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- that might be the dldb's way of saying I don't have persmission[2017-1-15. : 5:12 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I hit Delete, it says "Deleted." then I F5 and it's back[2017-1-15. : 5:09 am] Sie_Sayoka -- can someone delete the comment here please http://www.staredit.net/sc1db/file/3600/[2017-1-15. : 5:08 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Nobody cares that I removed the stack characters (and literally nothing else) in Legacy of Haean or House of the Haunted when the patches broke those maps. Would those maps even be as well known if I didn't? I recall qPK thanking me, because he wasn't even active at the time I posted LoH_100 stringfix.scx. I used to play House of the Haunted back when stacked names worked xD[2017-1-15. : 4:33 am] Pr0nogo -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: it's funny how the whole basis of the discussion got ignored, been blown out of proportion, and 2 hours later even forgotten, and thus been returned to square one. We've gone full circle! no, you said this NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Pr0nogo so we are arguing now, that it would be bad if a mod wouldn't do their job properly? I don't think anyone will disagree.  [2017-1-15. : 4:23 am] Moose -- Or just don't make maps, which is the most common strategy around these parts LMAO[2017-1-15. : 4:22 am] lil-Inferno -- Or make a map so shitty no one would ever wanna open it C|X^ DDDDDDDDD[2017-1-15. : 4:22 am] lil-Inferno -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: As Yoshi used to say, the best protection against map theft is just posting your map here and sharing it so people can't dispute that you made it. No, it's to never release it C|X^ D[2017-1-15. : 4:08 am] NudeRaider -- arguing for the arguments sake ... ahh that where SEN is at its best  [2017-1-15. : 4:07 am] NudeRaider -- it's funny how the whole basis of the discussion got ignored, been blown out of proportion, and 2 hours later even forgotten, and thus been returned to square one. We've gone full circle![2017-1-15. : 4:05 am] NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: does helping someone unprotect a map abide by the rules? Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: if no, farty broke the rules as a mod that's the EXACT same thought that started the whole thing. The factual part about it has been ended within the same minute though: NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: why are we helping that guy unprotect a map? It's against the rules. lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: and he got permission NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: lil-Inferno tru. that makes it allowed as long as the unprotection tools are not provided. [2017-1-15. : 4:02 am] Pr0nogo -- it reminds me of the still-active stance on maps vs mods or the old stance on keeping filesize low[2017-1-15. : 4:02 am] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Then again, I just hex edited the .chk and didn't use an unprotector, so w/e. C|X^ that's technically the same as using an unprotector. But USING the tools isn't against the rules, as you already pointed out.[2017-1-15. : 4:02 am] Moose -- As Yoshi used to say, the best protection against map theft is just posting your map here and sharing it so people can't dispute that you made it.[2017-1-15. : 4:01 am] Pr0nogo -- i don't see a problem with it regardless of the outcome, there aren't enough maps to steal let alone enough people to fool into thinking you made them[2017-1-15. : 4:00 am] Moose -- Then again, I just hex edited the .chk and didn't use an unprotector, so w/e. C|X^[2017-1-15. : 4:00 am] Moose -- Nobody cares that I removed the stack characters (and literally nothing else) in Legacy of Haean or House of the Haunted when the patches broke those maps. Would those maps even be as well known if I didn't? I recall qPK thanking me, because he wasn't even active at the time I posted LoH_100 stringfix.scx.[2017-1-15. : 3:59 am] NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: this guy had to make a thread that, if some mods had been on while he made it, would have been locked or deleted as opposed to having his problem solved so we are arguing now, that it would be bad if a mod wouldn't do their job properly? I don't think anyone will disagree. [2017-1-15. : 3:58 am] Moose -- But I doubt anyone would bring down the hammer on someone for benevolently translating a map.[2017-1-15. : 3:58 am] NudeRaider -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: NudeRaider Why not? Intellectual properties enter the public domain w/e years after the author's death. Why should the same policy not apply to maps whose authors haven't been around for forever, and will likely never return to the game? They may as well be dead. that's a slightly different point. The rule is there to respect the mapmakers rights which in itself is a noble goal. But WHEN that right should end could actually be debateable. Just I'm afraid having an actually verifiably condition will be difficult.[2017-1-15. : 3:57 am] Moose -- That being said, localization is probably one of the best things this could be used for, given that recent Korean UMS mapping seems to have surpassed what English speakers are turning out here.[2017-1-15. : 3:56 am] Moose -- Like I said, we really just wanted to prevent people from stealing shit and making unauthorized edits against the mapper's wishes.[2017-1-15. : 3:54 am] Sie_Sayoka -- i think the rule made more sense back then when map stealing was more common[2017-1-15. : 3:51 am] NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: NudeRaider instead of asking what's wrong with the old rules try asking what's right with them; i.e. what do they offer to this community, how do they make this community better I feel like this rule was never there to make the community as a whole better. Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: aw man i missed the annual discussion of stupid rules nobody follows anymore It's actually not a bad idea. If you feel like the circumstances have changed that's a valid reason to reopen discussion.[2017-1-15. : 3:06 am] KrayZee -- The new administration might repeal that policy, which will put SEN at risk.[2017-1-15. : 3:05 am] KrayZee -- How effective was the Cracking Down Unprotector Policy? It was proven controversial among newcomers, but appreciated by the community.[2017-1-15. : 3:03 am] Pr0nogo -- this guy had to make a thread that, if some mods had been on while he made it, would have been locked or deleted as opposed to having his problem solved[2017-1-15. : 3:03 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I'm pretty sure nobody has had trouble finding unprotectors[2017-1-15. : 3:02 am] Pr0nogo -- a ban on the tool required to unprotect maps is effectively the same thing as a ban on unprotecting maps if you have no prior knowledge regarding unprotectors and can't learn because there's a ban on it[2017-1-15. : 3:00 am] Moose -- If we're going to discuss what the rules do and don't allow, at least actually read them. [2017-1-15. : 2:59 am] Moose -- Really, the only restriction is on sharing unprotectors. Nobody cares (and nor do the rules) if you crack a map in private to learn from it and never release it. That isn't reasonable to enforce, anyway.[2017-1-15. : 2:55 am] Pr0nogo -- from my perspective i see no benefit in a ban on unprotecting maps; I have never seen a benefit to it no matter how large the community has been, but it should be especially apparent that it offers nothing of value when it's impeding the end user experience as well as stopping the creation and curation of educational resources for future mapmakers[2017-1-15. : 2:53 am] lil-Inferno -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: lil-Inferno I don't think you can put an expiration date on the policy to respect a mapmakers rights. Why not? Intellectual properties enter the public domain w/e years after the author's death. Why should the same policy not apply to maps whose authors haven't been around for forever, and will likely never return to the game? They may as well be dead.[2017-1-15. : 2:52 am] Pr0nogo -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: also demon whats your gripe with old rules? instead of asking what's wrong with the old rules try asking what's right with them; i.e. what do they offer to this community, how do they make this community better[2017-1-15. : 2:51 am] Pr0nogo -- aw man i missed the annual discussion of stupid rules nobody follows anymore |
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