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I actually had not remembered what Falkoner had suggested be done to a person's map until just now. He told someone to manually delete strings using SCMDraft 2 and to use some kind of volatile program (OSMAP2 I think?) to remove strings automatically. The actions he suggested would corrupt any map's string section beyond repair of even the most talented user or programmer.
Asking people to put up disclaimers is a little ridiculous. However, telling someone to use a specific program in such a way that it is GUARANTEED to corrupt their map beyond recovery, as Falkoner did, is clearly overstepping the line. You are right however, and I do not really know where the line should be drawn.
Does anyone have any ideas where the line should be placed?
That joke is getting mighty old.
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Yoshi this topic has absolutely nothing to do with protection or unprotection. Falkoner merely mentioned OSMAP as a ruse to confuse people into thinking I was breaking rules, when actually I was just deleting shitty posts of his that had nothing to do with anything of the sort. That having been said...
As long as I'm not a mod at the moment and cannot simply delete your posts I'll go ahead and respond, everyone should hear this anyway. SEN has a very clear cut policy about these things in the rules* and I don't think things are going to change any time soon. That policy is quite simple: not protecting your maps is perfectly fine by us, but taking people's protected maps and then breaking that protection is not something we are going to stand for under any circumstances. You can throw around a lot of talk about how some people support it or all the wonderful uses breaking protection has, but that is a load of bullshit to us and it is only going to get your posts deleted and your account suspended. And hiding behind "open source" is the biggest fabrication of them all, the whole point of using that term was to confuse people into thinking you may be on to something. In the real world there is a big difference between open source and copyright infringement. You have been using 'open source' to describe the map making equivalent of the latter.
Hopefully I am properly conveying the administration's wishes and not stepping out of line by using terms like "we" and "us".
* http://www.staredit.net//?p=faq&do=view&id=2
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Any editing program has the possibility to corrupt someone's map if they are stupid enough. That's like saying 'we should put a warning on everything you could kill someone with.'
Does anyone have any ideas where the line should be placed?
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No, it isn't. It still doesn't have a better trigger editor.
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Yoshi this topic has absolutely nothing to do with protection or unprotection. Falkoner merely mentioned OSMAP as a ruse to confuse people into thinking I was breaking rules, when actually I was just deleting shitty posts of his that had nothing to do with anything of the sort. That having been said...
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Unprotectors don't force all maps to be open either. OSmap has a wonderful compression ability (which ironically will "protect" the map as you say). Your opinion is that unprotectors should be not be allowed, okay, but the same should apply for protectors, because the people who like unprotection feel strongly about this too.
Hopefully I am properly conveying the administration's wishes and not stepping out of line by using terms like "we" and "us".
* http://www.staredit.net//?p=faq&do=view&id=2
How is using OSMAP "breaking copyright"? You do realise that all maps you or anyone else creates, are property of Blizzard Entertainment? It even states it in the EULA....
If you were truely breaking copyright, you would be making PROFIT from "unprotecting maps". What profit does anyone gain?
None.
The name of OSMAP is ironic anyways... "Open Source" Map?
Falkoner, do you truely think that OSMAP is "Open Source"?
Do you know what OpenGL is?
Open Graphics Library.
Now lets think with some brains for once... Do you have to "brute force" anything to get the Open Graphics Library?
No.
Its just a bunch of C++ code to access kick ass stuff from your Graphics Card.
Now what do you do when you use OSMAP?
"Brute force" your way into someones map.
That's not "Open Source", that's the equivelent of Piracy.
How do you think Pirates get the things to work?
By CRACKING them.
Which is what you do: Crack maps.
Which is really GAY. What benefit do you get from breaking into someones home and claiming it as your own?
Nothing.
See the point, or is it not "lamen" enough for you?
And really, why in christs name are you all bitching? If anyone knew ANY programming, they could "unprotect" ANY map they wished to, without the use of programs like that pussy ass "OSMAP" bs.
Hexadecimal editing is your friend.
I remember when Heimdal made an unprotector... Funny stuff.
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Unless you have some "friends" that pretend to be your friend and will "miss" you, but talk smack on you behind your back (Have had my fair share of them from here 
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)Kellimus, just because you might act like a fag to many people here and cause them to not like you, doesn't mean the rest of us do.
And for the last time, OS Map will not ruin your map, but of course, none of you have used it who are against it, so you wouldn't know, and wouldn't have the latest version.
The post where I told him to delete his strings was something that NEEDED to be posted, he was having a problem with his strings, and therefore had to edit them, I gave him some programs that could help, and I warned him to back up his map.
You don't even make any sense Falkoner. Could you please speak in some fluent English? Or at least word your sentances so someone with intellect could comprehend the point you're trying to give?
And for the last time, you shouldn't support piracy, its bad.
If you warned him to "back his map up", why in christs name would you even try to make him do it? You KNEW there was potential problems that could happen, so seriously, why?
Oh, that's right. Too bad I don't want to get myself banned already, or I'd say it
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And for the last time, OS Map will not ruin your map, but of course, none of you have used it who are against it, so you wouldn't know, and wouldn't have the latest version.
OSMAP2 on the other hand apparently has protection abilities and string modification algorithms. Protection is by design the corruption of a map, and apparently the string algorithms are not very good as they corrupt the string section. The purpose of those functions may not be to keep the map actually working and editable however.
If protection is "by design the corruption of a map", why do you support it?
You don't support OSMAP because it unprotects, and you seem to be showing another reason: It corrupts maps
So if that's the case, and you support protection which "is by design the corruption of a map", you're being hypocritical in the situation, which would make me be on Falkoner's side of you being bias (not biased Falkoner, jackass) because of your hypocracy...
I am neutral with the OSMAP thing because everyone who is whining about it, is whining because of reasons such as:
"It potentially opens my map for stealing! Which is copyright infringment!"
"It corrupts maps, but protecting maps corrupts them as well!"
"StarForge removes vital map sections on map load. Any map opened with it is immediately corrupted to an extent" (Which in my opinion is total bullshit because I know the programmer/S of StarForge PERSONALLY)
When really, you have no copyright with your maps cause Blizzard OWNS it. Fools.
I don't really support it, because it cracks open peoples maps, and faggots in the world will steal kick ass maps.
But oh well. Its only a game for christ sakes, its not going to make you go anywhere in life if you make a "bad-ass" map.
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See I only ever corrupted one map with StarForge and people say it corrupts maps all the time, so in perspective, you saying OSMAP2 corrupts maps, the chance of it happening is properly way less then 50% of the time...
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As I said, you are out of date, the latest versions of both programs have fixed all the flaws you have posted, don't judge that something is corrupting maps when you actually have no idea.
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Anyways the point is there is no reason to delete posts that deal with OSmap.
About the StarForge comment, read above.
And there you go being a hypocrite again (by your definition of course).. IF you support protection that is.
Well, judging by how you posted this:
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As long as I'm not a mod at the moment and cannot simply delete your posts I'll go ahead and respond, everyone should hear this anyway.
You flaunt the fact that you have/had mod abilities, and would use them... JUST because someone didn't have the same opinion as you..
"As long as I'm not a mod at the moment and cannot simply delete your posts I'll go ahead and respond, everyone should hear this anyway."
That screams out ABUSE more so than I've ever seen anyone at SeN with power act...
You say SeN has a strict policy with copyright infringement...
I'm pretty sure they have a strict policy against childish power-hungry mods... But what do I know eh?
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Something tells me your primary reason for being pissed is the insanely large number of minerals you had been fined. At the time I was unaware of just how many minerals people were getting for posts so I was just making up numbers on the fly. Regardless, it is my intention, should I be returned to my post, to cleanse the MAA forums into a state of squeaky cleanness.
And I care about minerals so much that I gave all of mine to CoB just recently? Ya...
The topics we are bringing up HAVE been discussed, but no one has made any serious decision, we are discussing OS Map because of the rules which you suddenly made up to cover up the fact that you just hate OS Map. Just come out and say it and stop trying to act like you are unbiased.
Unbias is how you spell the word...
None.
