Is a man not entitled to the words of his whining?

Me. It's overcomplicated (you haven't seen the code!) and has too many exploits. (yes, one is too many!)
I should fix that next and get that reset over with.

Stop complaining about our complaining.

Why do you guys constantly care about what another site is doing? You go to a site, because you like it.

Admins: If there are members at your site, and they like it. Keep it up. If they want something more, give it to them, within reason.

Members: If you like the site, go to it. If you don't, don't go to it.

All-in-all: There is no SEN vs Maplantis... Just do whatever you want to do, and follow the rules of where you are. If Maplantis or SeN is down, go to another site for your map making help. If you don't need help, and are just bored, don't be a 9 year old kid bitchin' about a site you like is down, and saying everyone at the site you're at is crap. Ignore the spam, or report. I just shrug it off when someone posts random stuff, and move on. Report them, don't go on and bitch about it. Press the damn report button, and move on.

Since you want my opinion:
Personally, I come to SeN, because I like to see what people are talking about, and would like to see other people's views of the same age and interest level as mine.

I also visit maplantis. I've been at maplantis more than SeN, because I'm not much into map making anymore, and the topics there are more fun. Less spam, and is more under control.

SeN looks pretty, and lots of cool features. I will most likely be more active here once everything is complete, and I can do some more clan related stuff. Overall a little out of control, but that's because of people here complaining about moderators doing unnecessary things. You always think you're right, so when you get warned or have a post deleted, you think the moderator is just mad at you. But the moderator is just doing his job. Accept it that your post got deleted, it's just an opinion.

Maplantis is very basic, and easy to use. Tau's main target, easy for the user to use. A job well done I'd say. Even though asking for help with certain stuff takes 20 psots to get through all of useless "Why are you using a mac?" spam.


Let's practice reporting a post!!
Click the button on the bottom left of this post. When a box pops up, type in: "This post is spam, he flamed many of us!" Then press okay!
If that doesn't work, PM Moose, he'll gladly tell you that it's not spam, or that it is spam, and delete it.
Congratulations on helping this forum a better place for everyone!

Heck no!

Touchy.

Regardless of whatever, the original point of the topic was so that I know why some people really hate SEN/maplantis and me and moose get a chance to answer these people. It was probably my fault for choosing such a bad name for a topic (couldn't think of anything else), but people are apparently mistaking this topic for "why do you like maplantis/sen".

Back to splitting up the community, theres plenty of other sites like warboards, blizzforums, bwmaps, and so on, but I don't see anyone complaining to them that they're splitting up the community.

Yeah, everyone's been splitting the community. Let's all go to battle.net and RESPECT OUR ROOTS! YEAH!!

AMEN BROTHER AMEN .

EARLY MAP NIGHT IN OP MAP NIGHT

You're really adamant about this, aren't you? Before anything else, I'd like to remind you that this whole business got started because you got offended over a tiny bit of rivalry. Here are a few points:

There is quite a limited number of talented map makers, while there are considerably more businesses. You'll also notice that these companies compete with each other, so not really a good comparison to prove your point.
Yes.. that's true. Maplantis is more rigid then SEN (or seemed so last time I was there), so removing it will disappoint many. Still, it doesn't change the 'splitting the community' thingie.

Yes, I know the coding difficulties. Different engines, all that. As with the community things, addressed already. All valid. However, let me just say that the mineral system can be disabled and I have not once seen a post akin to 'FIVE THOUSAND MINERAL CLUB' here on SENv5, and the off-topic threads are in the off-topic forums, so I don't really see a problem there.

You're still splitting up the community. That's really all I had said, in that admittedly poorly organized post.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 17 2008, 9:48 pm by Centreri.

Let's quit making these fucking threads, I'm sick of seeing them. SEN isn't even developed enough to say whether it competes up to Maplantis or not. But seriously, why the fuck am I always seeing "SEN vs Maplantis" when we're all just supposed to work together instead of being thick-headed close-minded retards?

I hate these threads. You guys complain too much.

Ok Centreri you did it I thought it was over it seemed yoshi and mini got it under control but,no you had to start shit again.
You know all you are is a hater of maplantis because you are still pointing it only at maplantis.
There is Tons of other great sites that meet up to SEN and Maplantis.
Namly Warboards And BlizzForums.So Either truly point out something that is wrong with Maplantis

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 17 2008, 10:10 pm by Mini Moose 2707. Reason: Flamin'.

Warboards and Blizzforums are, at best, secondary mapping sites, like TheHelper.com was to wc3campaigns.net. I'm pointing it at Maplantis because the topic says 'SEN & Maplantis'. Sadly, I did not note a post that showed that Yoshi didn't want a post from me. Also, I had not initiated this conversation. All I did was joke about how we could improve SEN by making it appear first in google once SCII came out. Yoshi started the big debate.

What's wrong with Moogle? I don't remember him being a whiner at any point in his industrious career.

Centreri is displeased. Yoshi and I are really going to declare war now.
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On a non-sarcastic note, chill with the flaming.

Damn, Twitch was right. I take it back .

Sounds good. MUDKIPS, I CHOOSE YOU!

We don't have a mineral system, per se. It is completely arbitrary, and as Moose said is full of exploits. The only things that can be done with minerals are obtain things that ought to be free. It really serves no purpose.

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Back to splitting up the community, theres plenty of other sites like warboards, blizzforums, bwmaps, and so on, but I don't see anyone complaining to them that they're splitting up the community.

Whatever anyone's personal convictions were, or what the site's aim is now (which, as I said, is entirely different today), the group of people who became the first Maplanteans because they were extremely strongly opposed to SeN and wished to permanently break with it. Maplantis was not initially founded to be just another mapping site, it was founded to house OSMAP and its supporters, who had run afoul of the opinion of mainstream SEN.

Both your sites suck, I'm moving to http://forums.stormcoast-fortress.net/. A nice quiet community.

Don't expect people to be able to "remember" what times were like say... 8 months ago.

Man. Some people have a lot to say don't they?

Even though I'm not really much of an influence here, I HAVE seen SEN from the beginning, even though I haven't been active enough to call myself a regular..though, I still remember everything thats gone down here. Sure, I know what you're thinking: "How do you know whats going on if you aren't active?"... DM123's account was always remembered in the cookies, and so I used it to navigate, and make minor posts when he asked me, and besides, when he was a regular here, I heard or saw everything since we had to share ONE computer.

But enough straying off point. Most people I've seen nowadays who do NOT know about the roots of SEN, say that SEN sucks. I've had to tell literally HUNDREDS of people about the whole split up, OSMaP issues, ETC. And I might add, its getting REALLY FUCKING TIRING.

Maplantis today breeds mostly ARROGANT teenagers these days. You say one thing good about SEN in front of a bunch of Maplantisers and BOOM! You're flamed, and targeted with everything they have inside them. The fact that Maplantiser's don't acknologe that SEN is the root of all good in the mapping community is an increasing problem. But who am I to say anything?

But, in the light of a Maplantiser saying something good about Maplantis, SEN goers tend to agree with them, and life goes on. Fact is, the more people you have in a group, the harder they are to control. Even though the boards here and there are seemingly quiet, its a FULL BLOWN WAR online. I've seen so much hatred just because someone wants to stick with SEN, or if someone wants to go to Maplantis for their mapping needs.

So, the real question is: What is going on to FIX this problem?

I can see already, either there will be a mass banning, or a full out forum war in light of this. Some say this is drama, but I can say its not just drama. You must not have been on SC lately.

Though another question is this: Why are people forgetting their roots?

SEN was home for most of us mappers for MANY years. Does that mean it sucked? Just because the coding is at a bit of a low right now, DOES NOT MEAN that this once great community is worthless. Just because features are outweighing against SEN does not mean it needs to be harassed with every positive note that comes for it. Some of you have given up on SEN, and sure I understand SOME of the reasons. But to say it sucks now even though you were here from the start or so, makes you worthless instead. I'm not saying this to flame, but to show YOU, the SEN or Maplantis goer, how LOYAL you are.

Maplantis should take a look at this little point. What happens if another site comes out? Another giant of the mapping community? How many of your members are going to stray off and flame Maplantis? The fact is, and I'm sure plenty of you are tired of hearing or knowing this, is that some people these days just like to pick a fight. Ex-SENners are targeting SEN, but what happens if they go back and target maplantis? I think the member bases of BOTH sites should be questioned of their loyalty. Some people however have been indeed shown of their loyalty though.

So, my final though is: Why attack SEN, just because its at a decline?

SEN is and shall forever be a home, as long as its up. It was AND STILL IS a refuge for mappers and modders, and the people who wish to learn. It is STILL the reason Maplantis is even there. If Yoshi didn't make SEN, I highly doubt he would have gone in turn to make Maplantis, wouldn't you agree?

Give these words some though, before you hate anymore. Its getting old.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 23 2008, 9:18 pm by Darkling.

I've been waiting for someone to bring out that L-word. I haven't read one word of thanks to SEN from a Maplantian for taking them back during their downtime. Talk about taken for granted.

Also, I don't see where this "no coding going on" or "no improvements being made" crap is coming from, because I remember coding the Tutorials section and a bunch of other stuff very recently.

I meant in a general view, like since V5 came out.

Sorry that I didn't acknolodge that. Yeah, Moose you've been stepping it up lately, and I might say, Kudos to that. Maybe it'll bring some people back to their senses.