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Make supply limit over 200 ?

Jan 4 2011, 11:43 am
By: Ashura

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Jan 4 2011, 11:43 am Ashura Post #1

Ok I have a several questions.

1. Is it possible to make the supply limit (which is normally limit at 200) higher than 200 ? I have seen this in Diplo InFi where you can make supply limit up to about 800 ! And this is very useful for Diplo map cause limiting unit is the main problem for Diplo.

2. What is the Set doodad state use for ?

3. Why does Diplo InFi crash on Mac ?

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Jan 4 2011, 11:45 am Brady Post #2

1. I have seen this as well, but I just never tried it, so I don't know

2. It's used for openning and closing doors, but it can also be used for disable terran and protoss buildings, making protoss operate without pylons, and cloak terran buildings.

3. No idea.

EDIT: The set doodad state cloak only works on the barracks, bunker, and supply depot. There is a way to cloak a unit by using this, but I haven't figured it out. Disabling buildings, of course, makes them unusable.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 4 2011, 12:01 pm by Brady.

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Jan 4 2011, 3:20 pm

rockz Post #3

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Here's a map which has extended supply in it. They are player 100+ buildings and/or units. Each unit/building adds a certain number to supply (the only number I remember offhand is BCs add 600). The player number determines which player gets the benefit, and what is affected (max supply, current supply, used supply).
http://www.staredit.net/files/609/
So our search functions are pretty miserable right now in that if you don't know what to search for in the forums you can't find anything, and even if you did, it would link you to a broken wiki page.

The wiki page still exists (extending supply or something like that), but not on the new wiki. It's in the old wiki (staredit.net/?p=oldwiki or oldwiki2).

Maps which use buffer overflows (like placing units for players 13+) can cause strange things to happen. Sometimes the WRONG thing happens, and you get starcraft data which is not identical on the mac and pc version. Then the game will desynchronize, having all the macs in the same game and the pc users in a different game. EUD triggers can also do this unless you specifically trigger for mac players.

http://www.staredit.net/starcraft/Set_Doodad_State

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 4 2011, 3:26 pm by rockz.

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Jan 4 2011, 4:04 pm

Ahli Post #4

I do stuff and thingies... Try widening and reducing the number of small nooks and crannies to correct the problem.

I can't find anything about it in our wiki leftovers... It's a shame to see the stuff lost...

What I found with google:
Fartybillion made a calculator for the player needed in the process
Players above 255 aren't possible.

Short explanation of Supply:
Every Player has 3 values: used Supply, supply available and the supply limit:
-used Supply = Units use supply and you can raise the lower border (e.g. setting the supply display to 50/8 without a unit).
-available = like depots give you supply, too (e.g. setting the default available supply from 0 to 50 resulting to a 0/50 supply display without units)
-supply limit = upper border of the available supply. It's set to 200 be default. You can only raise it. For 100 supply games you would need to raise used and available Supply.

Here is some Tutorial which was originated on Maplantis (SEN merged with Maplantis).

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1. Make sure you have a 3rd party Map editor. (preferably SCMDraft 2)

2. Decide your values.
(example: Player 1 is Terran and Player 2 is Zerg. I want Player 1's unit limit to be 1000, but i want him to have 100 supply available at the start of the game. I also want Player 2 to have 400 limit, with 200 available)

3. Subtract 200 from your limits.
(Example:
Player 1, 1000-200=800, remember 800;
Player 2, 400-200 remember 200.)

4. Use the Supply Modifier Unit List (which i will provide) to find values that add up to what you want. Be sure to take note of whether or not what you are using is a building or unit as we will use this later! note: it doesn't matter what race it is for this list.
(Example:
Player 1: "Nuclear Missile 400 Unit" Two will add up for my 800 Max.
"Citadel of Adun 100 Building" 100 for my initial available.
Player 2: "Protoss Nexus 200 Building" 1 adds up to my 200 Max.
"Protoss Nexus 200 Building" 1 adds up to my 200 available

5. Use the Player look-up list (which i will provide) for the players you want to give these values to. (example:
Player 1: Terran Available for Building: 109,
Terran Limit for Unit: 217;
Player 2: Zerg Available for Building: 74
Zerg Limit for building: 98

Supply Modifier Unit List:
ID Unit Adds Type
0 Terran Marine 25 Unit
1 Terran Ghost 87.5 Unit
2 Terran Vulture 37.5 Unit
3 Terran Goliath 100 Unit
5 Terran Siege Tank (Tank Mode) 175 Unit
7 Terran SCV 25 Unit
8 Terran Wraith 200 Unit
9 Terran Science Vessel 312.5 Unit
11 Terran Dropship 150 Unit
12 Terran Battlecruiser 600 Unit
14 Nuclear Missile 400 Unit
32 Terran Firebat 50 Unit
34 Terran Medic 62.5 Unit
37 Zerg Zergling 12.5 Unit
38 Zerg Hydralisk 62.5 Unit
39 Zerg Ultralisk 325 Unit
41 Zerg Drone 25 Unit
42 Zerg Overlord 50 Unit
43 Zerg Mutalisk 150 Unit
44 Zerg Guardian 275 Unit
45 Zerg Queen 200 Unit
46 Zerg Defiler 112.5 Unit
47 Zerg Scourge 50 Unit
50 Infested Terran 100 Unit
58 Terran Valkyrie 200 Unit
60 Protoss Corsair 175 Unit
61 Protoss Dark Templar 162.5 Unit
62 Zerg Devourer 275 Unit
63 Protoss Dark Archon 325 Unit
64 Protoss Probe 25 Unit
65 Protoss Zealot 50 Unit
66 Protoss Dragoon 125 Unit
67 Protoss High Templar 175 Unit
68 Protoss Archon 350 Unit
69 Protoss Shuttle 100 Unit
70 Protoss Scout 325 Unit
71 Protoss Arbiter 512.5 Unit
72 Protoss Carrier 475 Unit
73 Protoss Interceptor 15 Unit
83 Protoss Reaver 200 Unit
84 Protoss Observer 112.5 Unit
103 Zerg Lurker 125 Unit
106 Terran Command Center 200 Building
107 Terran Comsat Station 37.5 Building
108 Terran Nuclear Silo 37.5 Building
109 Terran Supply Depot 25 Building
110 Terran Refinery 25 Building
111 Terran Barracks 37.5 Building
112 Terran Academy 50 Building
113 Terran Factory 100 Building
114 Terran Starport 100 Building
115 Terran Control Tower 50 Building
116 Terran Science Facility 137.5 Building
117 Terran Covert Ops 37.5 Building
118 Terran Physics Lab 37.5 Building
120 Terran Machine Shop 37.5 Building
122 Terran Engineering Bay 32.5 Building
123 Terran Armory 50 Building
124 Terran Missile Turret 25 Building
125 Terran Bunker 25 Building
130 Infested Command Center 150 Building
131 Zerg Hatchery 150 Building
132 Zerg Lair 50 Building
133 Zerg Hive 50 Building
134 Zerg Nydus Canal 37.5 Building
135 Zerg Hydralisk Den 50 Building
136 Zerg Defiler Mound 75 Building
137 Zerg Greater Spire 100 Building
138 Zerg Queen's Nest 87.5 Building
139 Zerg Evolution Chamber 20 Building
140 Zerg Ultralisk Cavern 137.5 Building
141 Zerg Spire 125 Building
142 Zerg Spawning Pool 37.5 Building
143 Zerg Creep Colony 20 Building
144 Zerg Spore Colony 12.5 Building
145 Unused Zerg Bldg 5 Building
146 Zerg Sunken Colony 20 Building
149 Zerg Extractor 12.5 Building
153 Unused Zerg Bldg 5 5 Building
154 Protoss Nexus 200 Building
155 Protoss Robotics Facility 150 Building
156 Protoss Pylon 25 Building
157 Protoss Assimilator 25 Building
158 Protoss Unused 5 Building
159 Protoss Observatory 87.5 Building
160 Protoss Gateway 37.5 Building
162 Protoss Photon Cannon 50 Building
163 Protoss Citadel of Adun 100 Building
164 Protoss Cybernetics Core 50 Building
165 Protoss Templar Archives 125 Building
166 Protoss Forge 50 Building
167 Protoss Stargate 150 Building
169 Protoss Fleet Beacon 175 Building
170 Protoss Arbiter Tribunal 225 Building
171 Protoss Robotics Support Bay 62.5 Building
172 Protoss Shield Battery 25 Building
179 Cave 5 Building
180 Cave-in 5 Building
181 Cantina 5 Building
182 Mining Platform 5 Building
183 Independent Command Center 5 Building
184 Independent Starport 5 Building
185 Jump Gate 5 Building
186 Ruins 5 Building
187 Kyadarin Crystal Formation 5 Building

Player look-up list:
(do not use the players in brackets, remember to pay attention to the fact that you need to place different players for different human players, and pay attention to the fact if the supply modifier is a building or not.)

Player 1 Unit Building
Zerg Available 157 73
Zerg Used 169 85
Zerg Limit 181 97
Terran Available 193 109
Terran Used 205 121
Terran Limit 217 133
Protoss Available 229 145
Protoss Used 241 157
Protoss Limit 253 169

Player 2 Unit Building
Zerg Available 158 74
Zerg Used 170 86
Zerg Limit 182 98
Terran Available 194 110
Terran Used 206 122
Terran Limit 218 134
Protoss Available 230 146
Protoss Used 242 158
Protoss Limit 254 170

Player 3 Unit Building
Zerg Available 159 75
Zerg Used 171 87
Zerg Limit 183 99
Terran Available 195 111
Terran Used 207 123
Terran Limit 219 135
Protoss Available 231 147
Protoss Used 243 159
Protoss Limit 255 171

Player 4 Unit Building
Zerg Available 160 76
Zerg Used 172 88
Zerg Limit 184 100
Terran Available 196 112
Terran Used 208 124
Terran Limit 220 136
Protoss Available 232 148
Protoss Used 244 160
Protoss Limit 256 172

Player 5 Unit Building
Zerg Available 161 77
Zerg Used 173 89
Zerg Limit 185 101
Terran Available 197 113
Terran Used 209 125
Terran Limit 221 137
Protoss Available 233 149
Protoss Used 245 161
Protoss Limit [257] 173

Player 6 Unit Building
Zerg Available 162 78
Zerg Used 174 90
Zerg Limit 186 102
Terran Available 198 114
Terran Used 210 126
Terran Limit 222 138
Protoss Available 234 150
Protoss Used 246 162
Protoss Limit [258] 174

Player 7 Unit Building
Zerg Available 163 79
Zerg Used 175 91
Zerg Limit 187 103
Terran Available 199 115
Terran Used 211 127
Terran Limit 223 139
Protoss Available 235 151
Protoss Used 247 163
Protoss Limit [259] 175

Player 8 Unit Building
Zerg Available 164 80
Zerg Used 176 92
Zerg Limit 188 104
Terran Available 200 116
Terran Used 212 128
Terran Limit 224 140
Protoss Available 236 152
Protoss Used 248 164
Protoss Limit [260] 176

I got this from here...

General tip:
Use Terran Buildings like the Starport (gives 100) and place them with 0% life. Then they will burn down after map start clearing up the space.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 4 2011, 4:12 pm by Ahli.

Jan 4 2011, 6:56 pm

NudeRaider Post #5

We can't explain the universe, just describe it; and we don't know whether our theories are true, we just know they're not wrong. >Harald Lesch

To clarify the process of extending supply:
You preplace an extended unit (= player number > 12) which causes a buffer overflow which in turn alters the supply readings in sc.

The player number and the type (unit or building) decides which type of supply (Available/Limit/Used and Zerg/Terran/Protoss) of which player it affects.
E.g. A unit for player 157 adds to player 1's Zerg Available and so does a building for player 73. (2nd list)

The unit/building itself (Marine, Ghost, Barracks, etc.) decides the amount of supply that is added. (You can't subtract)
E.g. A Terran Marine adds 25 supply. (first list)

==> When you preplace a Marine for P157 it will add 25 to P1's Zerg supply Available counter.

In SC the supply is displayed in the upper right as Used/Available (e.g. 4/10 when you start with 4 workers and a Nexus). The supply cannot go higher than the Limit. (200/200 by default). So generally it's the Limit and/or the Available you want to change.

Fartys tool is an easy way to find out the correct player number, then you just have to go through the unit/building list (1st list) and decide which you choose.
The neat thing about the whole process is that this unit only has to be present at map start. If you kill it afterwards the extended supply will still be active! That's why Terran buildings with low HP work so well: They die right after map start.

Finally keep in mind that if you choose to place a unit (not a building) you can't access all supply variables because for some you would need a player number greater than 255 which isn't possible. So in that case you could only place a building.

When maps only crash Mac users it's likely because the map used EUDs. Those directly read sc's memory and the memory banks are different on Macs so in some cases it just doesn't work and in some cases it even causes crashes.

Set doodad state has a number of uses (check rockz' link). Its intended use, however, is to open and close doors (doodads of the installation tileset).

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NudeRaider Post #7

We can't explain the universe, just describe it; and we don't know whether our theories are true, we just know they're not wrong. >Harald Lesch

As most, if not all things that relied on buffer overflows.

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