Quote from name:Artanis186
Spore Crawlers are a waste of money, and if you have them all it does is force you to clump your Overlords over them. Where they are easily killed, useless, and obscure your own vision.
The difference between them and Missile Turrets being? It's not like you have to cluster them up, just put some bordering the base and put them somewhere in the center of it. Or you can just let them freely take down your Overlords without resistance. Besides, are Vikings not even more powerful than Phoenixes, with more range? What would you do vs Vikings?
Burrow does nothing for Phoenices killing Overlords, and is a waste of APM and time to constantly burrow and unburrow Queens.
Slight APM sink or wasted minerals/gas/time/macro ability? That's up to you.
The difference between Spore Crawlers and Missile Turrets is that Supply Depots aren't airborne.
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[quote=name:Syphon]Spore Crawlers are a waste of money, and if you have them all it does is force you to clump your Overlords over them. Where they are easily killed, useless, and obscure your own vision.
The difference between them and Missile Turrets being? It's not like you have to cluster them up, just put some bordering the base and put them somewhere in the center of it. Or you can just let them freely take down your Overlords without resistance. Besides, are Vikings not even more powerful than Phoenixes, with more range? What would you do vs Vikings?
Burrow does nothing for Phoenices killing Overlords, and is a waste of APM and time to constantly burrow and unburrow Queens.
Slight APM sink or wasted minerals/gas/time/macro ability? That's up to you.[/quote
That costs hundred of minerals that could be used to, you know, make units. Also, they're from drones, so it costs minerals, larva, and mining drones. I'd rather just fix pheonices.
I play toss, and even I agree Pheo are wayy too strong against Zerg. As a toss, I have no experience with TvZ, so I don't know anything about Vikings. However, Pheo are damn quick and fire on the move, which makes them ideal for harass. I'm sure technically a Viking would kill and overlord faster, but not as effectively as a Pheo in terms of harass.
And actually, I think Queens and Pheo are quite fair at the point it's at. I usually put a cannon or two by the mineral line, so I think it's okay to spend the 75 or so minerals to defend the queen mineral line from pheonix harass with a single spore crawler. I just don't think using them to protect your whole base from Pheo is a good use.
Don't fix Phoenices. FIX QUEENS. Make them Massive. One little change, affects nothing else since they aren't fast enough to smash forcefields offensively.
@Syphon: When I say something along the lines of "LOL - is all I have to say to you". Why do you continue to try to provoke a response?
If you're half as good at SC2 compared to a 5 year old, you'll know the importance of scouting. You see a Protoss player, you see his lack of 4-gate, robo and oh wait, is that a Stargate?! I think it is...
Make another queen. Done.
That answered your question?
Because you're wrong, and I am correcting you.
Because 2 queens beats 3 Phoenices. Oh wait. No they don't.
I'm pretty sure I'm better than you at SC2 if you're playing against Toss who don't wall off against you playing Zerg. You see a Protoss player with a gate/core/zealot wall what are your options? EDIT -
Surprise, surprise, I am much better than you, and you don't play Zerg either. So your opinion is completely irrelevant.A) Blind counter - What if he's going 4gate all in? Get some hydras off one base!
or 4gate robo?
Oh... Uh, expand and get some hydra/roach/corruptor off 2 base!
But what if he's forge fast expanding? Oh... Uh expand, tech up to ultras or broodlords, and use your superior economy to thwart his turtling ways!
Well what if he's getting Phoenices to easily cripple your macro and supply cap you?
Oh... Uh, mass up spore crawlers and Queens, while your lings and roaches handle his base!
But what if it's a 4gate all in?
...Fuck. Then option b!
B) Scout his ass!Sorry, you're playing Zerg and by the time you get a scout in his base he's either going to have cannons which will prevent you from seeing a hidden stargate/robo bay/shrine/archives, or he'll be so far into it that you'd better hope your blind counter was right, because 200 misspent minerals will cost you the game.
C) Roach rushI hope he has shitty micro, or yours is impeccable.
D) Get creative!If you're lucky, you'll win through a Nydus Worm, or careful Baneling micro. This is what Zvturtletoss comes down to. Luck, because certain parts of the Protoss arsenal are particularly overpowered against Zerg. Whodathunkit.
So no, making another queen did not answer my question. 2 Queens per base protects against a 1xVoid Ray rush. Not 3-4 Phoenices. The Phoenix buff is ludicrous without making the Queen massive.
Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 10 2010, 9:54 am by NudeRaider. Reason: flaming again
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