Hi,

someone I know is being accused of hacking on a starcraft league because he allegedly dropped three times on this map, Snipers v.10. http://vgcache.com/maps/107

just asking to know if this constitutes to either

1. definite hacks
2. flawed triggers
3. incompatibly issues

thanks for imput

Well it could be because of hacking but it's far from definite.
Haven't checked the triggers but maybe you'd like to check the crashlist.
Also it could as well be an incompatibility issue.

If you want my personal opinion: Hack.

It could be because of hacking. The map you attached has a multi-featured EUD anti-hack. It's not up-to-date, so it will only drop people using older hacks (the current Oblivion is protected), but it is still possible that the anti-hack is getting him. What sort of computer is your friend using? The anti-hack triggers in that map, unlike some anti-hacks, are not Mac-friendly. If he is not on Windows, then the anti-hack will drop him. Plus, there are always random reasons unrelated to the map that could account for his dropping. A bad connection that day, issues with connecting with one of the other players, etc. So I wouldn't say that he is definitely hacking on this evidence alone, but you might be justified in being somewhat more suspicious of him than you would otherwise be.

guys, thanks for the input. the accusation submitted three replays http://vgcache.com/replays/3078, http://vgcache.com/replays/3077 and http://vgcache.com/replays/3076 . in all 3 reps the defendant dropped on the EXACT ping (21 seconds) all three games. he is not using a mac.

can you please elaborate on the maps inconsistencies? because from what i read, the accusation are hellbent on suggesting that this map is a godsend, 100% reliable anti-hack testing method.

cheers,

-ByM

p.s if u guys wanna read the thread, it's

http://vilegaming.com/forums.x/topics/22118/hacker_magic_pot_ff/0

beware, many useless posts there. btw im OmeGa[FF]

He's hacking. There's a tiny chance that someone else in-game is drophacking him, but it'd be hard to get it that precise all three times. Best way to be sure is to get both players to run screen recording programs, then watch after. Just get them to have a RM with screen records like FRAPS or guncam, then if they refuse, they hack.

The map isn't a definitive hack detector, that's for sure. The current version of Oblivion is admittedly not affected, and non-hackers could be.

I don't think replays of someone dropping are very strong evidence of hacking, but his assertion that he actually left the game each time is a bit suspicious given the obvious impossibility of manually leaving the game at the exact same moment multiple times.
In one of the games he's like
Which indicates that he probably, you know, dropped.

Hax, no doubt.

As so many as my comrades before me have stated, hax.

It is incredibly likely since all three replays show him dropping at the exact same time. It is a sign that something is up, and I'm 99% sure it is hacks. That detection system isn't 100% unquestionable, but in this case I think most of us agree it looks like hacks. Also, the anti-hacks fire at 28 game seconds, on fastest that would be around 19 real seconds, seems reasonable he would drop around 21 seconds when the anti-hack fires (this is assuming the game is using fastest).

just a quick note, i wasn't there at the time, but he does claim that IN THE SAME SESSION he stayed in that UMS for 2+ minutes. would this bring light to his situation?

The replay consistently disproves that he stayed there 22 seconds, let alone 2 minutes.

Everyone in that thread except for Solo.Skull and omega is acting like a 12 year old kid. Tell magic_pot[ff] to get a non silly name, stop hacking if he is hacking, and quit bitching about a 10 year old game.

Here's 1 way to prove he's not hacking: Get a video of him after he drops in that game which doesn't show "cannot create unit", and instead shows him exiting the game, then post the replay of said game and him dropping while leaving on tick 505.

Considering he can offer no proof to his defense, other than his word, and wiseman gives 3 cases of evidence which show him dropping on the same tick, while easily doctorable, and he isn't smart enough to defend his position properly, I have to conclude that wiseman would win the case. However, what's interesting is that I get those triggers to run on frame 484. 484/2=242, 242/8=~30. I'm surprised there's nearly a second delay.

In any case, this doesn't prove he's hacking, just that one of the anti-hack triggers ran.

The map has various anti-hacking EUD's.

1: Oblivion
2: Location Hack
3: Real-Time-Ownage-Hack.


I am not up-to-date with these current hacks, but I know when I released this map it stopped all.

With that being said, the EUD triggers DO crash a lot of MAC'S. The triggers activate about twenty seconds into the game.

thanks damien, i saw ur post on vg. i'm pretty sure he doesn't have a mac but on a scale of 1-10, how would you rate the reliability/consistency of your map?