In all honestly it was 1 vs 6 vs 29 since I had no allies, in the end, everyone became my allies and I knew everyone's role.

And I didn't know who of you was mafia doctor, and I'm glad I took a shot and hit ;o

But here's how I won:
Phobos here was a very nice director, he didn't want to do anything and he'd just follow whatever the bandwagons were. I kept telling him who to redirect and he did which allowed me to pretend I was a director, if people asked me to prove it I'd just say "I can redirect a mafia tonight and kill you" but instead they asked me to follow other director bandwagons and I'd just tell them "You hit him and I'll hit someone else" Did you notice, zany, how I never wanted to hit the targets you told me? Cause I was making my own experiments of course.

Controlling a director allowed me to know the whole mafia in no time. Actually controlling THREE directors allowed me to do that. I only had to do clue analysis in the first three days (notice how I started naming mafia after that) I'd tell different targets and I would myself convice zany and/or shocko to "target" them and redirect them to someone else. If those someone else died, that meant X person was mafia. I noticed that after doing this they'd notice people died at their redirecting so I had to kill them and thank god my random hits took care of them

I found out ex, viet, devourer, krayzee and kevin were mafia this way. Actually I thank shocko for helping me find out that krayzee was mafia, devourer was OBVIOUS you people lynched darkling out of stupidity and both ex and viet had really huge obvious clues on them too. killed by a long weapon or something like so. Excalibur is a god damn sword and viet's avatar was a yellow crap with a huge sword too. What I laugh at more is that DTBK kept telling that long weapon (or whatever) clue and you people didn't pay attention to any of his clues. There was a lot of electricity and lightning involved, for god's sake one guy even died of a lightning, did you even took enough care to look at kevin's signature?

Directors were a fun and highly inbalanced role. That's how I found out the mafias and that's how the mafia hit count got reduced too, you people stopped making hits cause we'd redirect you hurrrrr. I had tons of fun redirecting ex a thousand times. How did you feel, ex, when you saw that you hits weren't being made?
I kept doing everything a townie would do, solved cryptograms, helped townies with them, followed bandwagons and all that jazz so people started trusting me, at some point I found out shocko was really a director, he always kept telling me he didn't trust me but he sure told me all the roles he knew, which allowed me to know that toa was a patrolman. I noticed that toa was on a "let's vote corbo!" spree and then I also noticed that I kept getting jailed, you people weren't listening to me, even if I was helping you and I wasn't even making my random hits, so I decided to attack toa but you people didn't even get how to solve my card so I was like *sighs* let's post the solution to see what they do v.v
You not only ignored it but you also ignored that along the way I attacked krazy again and again and again with some stupid art argument that only made me look suspicious I was like "wtf, what's wrong with this townies?"

Ashamed's stunt was real pro. I applaud it, what gave me even more fun, besides him screwing up the whole game, was that he was all like "DUD I R PRO NOW TELL ME UR ROL DUD" and he didn't even do nothing which brings me to the first thing I did wrong and probably the only one in the whole game. I admitted being a director, so far I hadn't admitted it, I only said "I know someone who's a director", which was true but I did admit it to him and then the last director, phobos, died to my random hits. So you find out someone's lieing to you about a powerful town aligned role, here's what you'll do for next game guys, KILL HIM, !

So I kept playing, named some mafias, I was pretentious two times and said I was going to name the mafia doctor without even knowing, one of those times was the time I named out toa cause, naively, I thought you people would run out and lynch the patrolman that was jailing me since it was after you discovered that krazy, one mafia I called out before, was really mafia, but you didn't but that was okay anyway.

A few days later toa contacted me on msn, I can't remember what his first words there but after like 3 messages he told me. "bah screw it, I don't even care anymore, I'm a patrolman" and I said "yeah I know, you're the one jailing me, I'm the joker" and he was like "I KNEW IT!" He told me he was backstabbing the town so he did. I had no credibility for the last days, if you could figure, but I didn't care because I knew that I already controlled the game. I didn't like norm at all, he was voting for me out of nowhere and that could easily raise bandwagons against me. what did I do? in the very last 5 minutes, JUST BEFORE DTBK ENDED THE DAY, I Pm'd kevin, viet that I knew they were mafia and that they had to vote norm. Not even then I claimed to be the joker and I told toa the same thing but we needed 4 votes to kill norm, so toa conviced ultimo to vote norm, and voila, Norm's out of my way just before that I also managed to vote out urahara with the reason "he's useless, he hasn't done anything for the game so we should vote him out" guess what, if you hadn't vote him out you guys would have won.

My random hits killed toa, sadly, but I still had the game in my hands, not only my vote counted a lot because of the little player number but I also controlled kevin, or I thought I did, it was simple, if you want to win, vote ultimo. He'd have to take care about brontobyte and then the "morning" post would be a huge mafia victory since there would be no townies left alive. For some reason kevin didn't get this and was also worried that my random hits would hit him. I tried to explain that if he voted ultimo, my called name would die and no random hits would occur, oh yeah, this was another big mistake by you town, you thought that my hits could hit the mafia, well I don't think so, they sure never killed a mafia, not even when the chances were 50-50. So kevin decided to take his odds and vote me. He PM'd DTBK appearently asking, basicaly, if he'd win if he voted ultimo and he said "Corbo, pray DTBK says yes" I think this was the only time I have NO U'd in real life
My answer PM was "nobody threatens me" I switched my vote to kevin, ultimo voting kevin town would win.
In the end, it didn't matter which side would get the victory because whoever did, it would be because I had decided it. The town was mine.

Did I cheat? Nah, making alliances is part of the game, being they mafia alliances, townie alliances or townie-mafia.

Here's some stuff to do for next games:
Use your roles to figure out other roles, not to kill, not to disable someone else, but to find out other roles.
Trust no one. Not even people who have been publicly revealed as town aligned. They could backstab you, you know.
You don't win this game by making friends in allianced you win it by ANALYZING CLUES.
Mafias can make alliances too. Not just townies. You just have to take the risk of revealing your role.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Jan 13 2010, 7:11 am by Corbo.

I still blame ToA! Also, I don't know, I was lapsing that whole game lol, I knew you claimed director but when Phobos died, it was like, "uh..."

I have to say, that's retarded about the directors. I don't know who were the directors, so that slipped up anonymously. Especially that I do not have the source of contact on them, and directors seems more anonymous than the patrolman, which also had clearly failed logic behind that role. I already nailed the role finding using the process of elimination, voting record, and such, just that I can't find who specifically the directors and patrolmen were but I labeled them as townies.

Secondly, I've seen this dumb bandwagon plan and the towns always suck at finding clues for years, coming from what? Maplantis?

Corbo, no I didn't notice, after ashamed's stupid move I sorta gave up. I think I told about 3 people my role after that

lol the only reason I didn't do anything was because no one gave me their roles.... and if you look right before i was killed i even put my FOS on you. (
The truth is Me and ultimo could of taken this game if people would of been active!

and zany don't be a dumb it was not a stupid move it would of won us the game if we didn't have ignorant people like you on our team. ( You were going for the wrong side I gave everyone a chance to get to the right side The only person that took up on it was BATMAN! )

Just for the proof zany.. this is one of them.


Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 13 2010, 4:08 pm by Ashamed.

Corbo, I lied to you about who I directed ! I wasn't your puppet. I ran my own show.
Also, I had told Ashamed that you claimed to be director before I had died, and I had told him that ToA was Patrolman.
I also think I pointed out that kevin's sig was lightning. I was jailed for fuck sake, the clue couldn't have been me, he was the only other suspect... but you all were being stupid. I'm glad this game's over... town was shit. Joker was kind.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 13 2010, 5:49 pm by Shocko.

Can somebody PLEASE explain that bit about my blood/DNA being at a murder scene? That (besides Ultimo voting for me like a noob) was the only thing that bothered me this game.

I also want to know this..
I Want to know why every person Ultimo checked out died.

this is 2nd game in a row where i said mafia clues (against FE first game and Kevin second game) and i wasn't listen to.
Now next game you all shall bandwagon under whoever i vote for.

The bodies were found to be contaminated with the DNA of Norm because this was, in effect, the Joker naming a target. Corbo never actually went anywhere, he just requested (and I granted) slightly unorthodox ultimatums. You have to treat everything in the clue posts from the point of view of the story. Firstly, if Norm were somehow actually the killer, the clue wouldn't be "OMG the police think norm is guilty, please convict him." It was supposed to be gratuitously obvious "evidence" which is clearly planted. Since they were Joker kills, it was the Joker that planted the evidence.

Also, I think I will post a log of all day/night actions. There was a lot of chaos.

Funny how I died because Ex told Kevin to NOT heal me on day one.


Ill still hold him to that ;O

lol director chaos much?

and batman revealed me twice, on n1 and n3?

I DIDN'T LIKE YOU. I should have tried KrayZee twice, but hindsight is 20:20. You didn't seem like you were helping the town much. D:

Yeah because this would have been deleted had it been correct. Just threw it out there for confusion and fun. Did you notice the confused colors?

Also why did you guys kill me first night? I don't consider myself a good player...

And thank you Corbo (and of course DTBK) for this great game. It was fun to read. Especially the revelation of your tactics. I agree that directors were imbalanced. But in the and not even that helped town.
And I must admit it wasn't until the last 2 days I realized you were Joker. Well maybe because I wasn't involved in PMs/IMs because I was dead, but still, well played. Also nice announcements and stuff.
So Krazy, stop whining, it was gg for Carbo.

Stop whining? Let's see how you like it if the Joker found out you're mafia and your entire team without finding clues (The Director/Patrolmen roles basically gave it away), have your attacks HALTED, and you are also blackmailed, and he gets away with it easily especially as he is invulnerable during night. Talk about overpowered. Even if the Director gave the Joker our roles, the bullshit Patrolmen magically puts people in a super tight security prison, and halts attacks every time. Wait for these epically long Mafia days and nights to end, only to find out my attack is halted after I was unveiled by the Joker? Seriously?




I have a mafia idea that will be called, and it takes place at Pandora. Each Mafia player is assigned as another SEN player who is not playing mafia as their own personal avatar. The host will have to write their day/night posts, clues, hits, and lynches that has a reference to the specific avatar. Every player participating SEN Mafia has their own avatar, and only knows their own avatar. The purpose of this is not only to prevent lynching through disliking each other, but also to prevent bandwagons.

For example: If you're playing SEN Mafia, and Moose isn't playing, then Moose could be assigned as your avatar. In the case if you're mafia, the written clues will relate to Moose, not you. Because Moose is your avatar, and if the town players managed to find clues relating, and connecting to Moose (Rather than you), they will lynch Moose. As Moose is your avatar, and if he dies, you die. Once you die, it will be revealed to the public that Moose is your avatar. If a townie's avatar dies, that townie dies and the same goes for that person, it will be revealed to the public that her or his avatar is your avatar.

As there is a list of players who have signed up, there will be another list of avatars named after people who are not playing. When one avatar dies, it mirrors the other list, where the real one dies.

Another purpose of this is to allow players to be anonymous even stating their own roles in exchange of information. Therefore while voting, you can't simply vote for someone, but instead you vote for the avatar during lynching. However, if players reveal their avatars to others and vise versa, then they are retarded.

As players sign up, the host of SEN Mafia will assign the avatars to each individual secretly.

A suggested role while using the avatar system would be a Detective Role where the Detective unveils the player's name and his avatar name, but not his role.

sounds like a mass guisers set up in epic mafia

I like this idea, devilesk came up with it. It would remove grudges (to an extent) but it wouldn't get rid of people being puppets to other players entirely though.

Quote from DT_Battlekruser

* [PROTECT] zany_001 (Doctor) : poison_us

awww, he cares!!

Quote from DT_Battlekruser

* [DODGE] poison_us
* [HIT] Devourer (mafia) : poison_us
* [HIT] Corbo (Joker) : poison_us

Ahh, that's gay. I knew I'd get hit, just didn't expect two people

So if I'm understanding the above theory correctly, we have person A, with clues and everything else linked to a different member not participating. If that person is lynched/killed, their name & avatar is revealed? I think I like this. Maybe set up the next mafia as such?

I was more worried that you'd change your vote at the last second. Ultimo was giving up too fast, so I knew that you'd pull something.

But you didn't

When does this start? Please auto-sign me up.