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Sep 16 2009, 11:26 am
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Nov 16 2009, 12:20 am Neki Post #801



Yes, agreed, pubs are terrible. I also need to convince you guys to start playing 1500+ games, getting 1300 people on our team is no good, because it essentially turns into a 4v5 because we have such low psr on our side.



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Nov 16 2009, 4:20 am ForTheSwarm Post #802



HOLY SHIT EPIC GAME WITH SOULSTEALER (11874927)


TLDR;
I was soulstealer, raped early/mid-game.
Their team of carries got farmed, we couldn't push.
Finally, our creeps + semi-BD finished their shrine off.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 16 2009, 4:45 am by ForTheSwarm.



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Nov 16 2009, 3:47 pm Neki Post #803



At least you got a Portal Key instead of Assassin's Shroud. Makes me rage when people go Shroud, so easily countered. Though, an SS did own me and Hydro the other day with two Doombringers, but I blame that on Hydro and his terrible play middle with Slither. :P Also, look at the game Hydro posted, was epic, we won with 4 int support casters and Swarm practically doing nothing all game, go team cc!



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Nov 17 2009, 1:59 am ForTheSwarm Post #804



For the last time, Pyro is not support. :P



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Nov 17 2009, 2:01 am Neki Post #805



He's definitely not a carry, I'll tell you that. Maybe a ganker, but where else would he fit?



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Nov 17 2009, 4:08 am ForTheSwarm Post #806



Pyro is a nuker of course.



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Nov 17 2009, 4:11 am Neki Post #807



Yes, nukers are usually support heroes though. Like Torturer, he is a pseudo-carry / support hero, even though his only power is in his nuking ability.



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Nov 17 2009, 4:56 am Kow Post #808



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Nov 17 2009, 4:58 am Neki Post #809



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But seriously, I want Tinker, someone convince them to port over Tinker for me!



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Nov 17 2009, 5:49 am Kow Post #810



And enchantress.



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Nov 17 2009, 7:58 am Excalibur Post #811

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Jakiro port is more important than any other port right now. We have no hero like him, he is desperately needed.




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Nov 17 2009, 4:56 pm ShredderIV Post #812



At least he's not asking for techies.... god i want to punch every single person on the hon forums who asks for techies. Another good port imo is phantom lancer, who was really useful in some situations, or invoker, who was just mad fun. Chaos knight would also be reaaaaally fun, although he is based completely on luck lol.



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Nov 17 2009, 4:59 pm Neki Post #813



Quote from ShredderIV
At least he's not asking for techies.... god i want to punch every single person on the hon forums who asks for techies. Another good port imo is phantom lancer, who was really useful in some situations, or invoker, who was just mad fun. Chaos knight would also be reaaaaally fun, although he is based completely on luck lol.
Maybe you're talking about Blacksmith? The only luck thing about Chaos Knight is his first skill, where the damage and stun duration is completely random, which is not really "luck-based.".



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Nov 17 2009, 5:12 pm ShredderIV Post #814



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At least he's not asking for techies.... god i want to punch every single person on the hon forums who asks for techies. Another good port imo is phantom lancer, who was really useful in some situations, or invoker, who was just mad fun. Chaos knight would also be reaaaaally fun, although he is based completely on luck lol.
Maybe you're talking about Blacksmith? The only luck thing about Chaos Knight is his first skill, where the damage and stun duration is completely random, which is not really "luck-based.".

And his third skill on his crit? and the fact that his illusions get that crit and 100% damage, so its still luck whether you get enough crits off? In addition to his second, which stacks with his third to get an extra 300 damage on the blink if you get a crit?



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Nov 17 2009, 5:27 pm Neki Post #815



That is like saying Madman is luck-based because he has crits, and then when you use his ultimate, you get more +atk speed, and you get a higher chance of getting crits! Or that's like saying Scout is luck-based, because he has disarm, and when you use vanish, you can disarm him for more damage and more attack speed! Or when you're Rampage, and you like, attack him, and you stun him, and then you stun him again, and then you ultimate, and then you're like omg, LUCKZ! Yes, there is luck involved, but Blacksmith is probably the only hero where is hero is completely broken by luck. Chaos Knight is still a viable character even if you always get a 1 second stun and crits only sometimes.



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Nov 17 2009, 5:30 pm ShredderIV Post #816



Yes ultimo, but all those examples you listed have 1 skill which involves luck. I know blacksmith is the biggest luck based hero, but chaos knight is the second biggest hero affected by luck, as, just like bs, all of his skills in some way work with luck.

lets see...
Madman- barrel roll and stalk have no luck about them. Only crit and ult
Rampage- charge and ult also have no luck based. I guess his second semi-synergizes with his bash... so kinda luck...
Scout- once again, only disarm and vanish synergize to be luck based.

Chaos knight- 1st: luck based. 2nd, crit works into it, so it involves luck. 3rd: luck. 4th: illusions get his passive crit, have luck built into them.
Blacksmith- pretty obvious.

See, i say he's luck based simply because all of his skills have some ground in getting lucky and critting or getting high damage on your opponents. There's a big different with him between hitting your opponent for 6 hits with his illusions and getting no crits and hitting your opponents for 6 hits all crits with his illusions.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 17 2009, 5:35 pm by ShredderIV.



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Nov 17 2009, 7:07 pm Kow Post #817



I believe there's a tooltip somewhere that states he's based off chaos (hence "chaos knight") so his moves are inconsistent. I can't find it though :(

I loved techies. And PLancer. He was fun. Jakiro too. I'd like to see Clinkz. He was fun. We don't really have too many ranged carries, well, HARD ranged carries, in hon.



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Nov 17 2009, 11:23 pm Decency Post #818



Soulstealer is the only one that comes to mind. Arachna/Valk are always played more as gankers and semi-carries.

I want to see Centaur Warchief and Puck the most, from what I've read/seen.

S2 has already said that the next couple of heroes are not DotA ports, though. In time though I'd be willing to bet that almost everyone worth mentioning in competitive DotA play gets ported or somehow incorporated, though.



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Nov 18 2009, 12:03 am Bar Refaeli Post #819



im a really good puppet master carry



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Nov 18 2009, 12:22 am Neki Post #820



Not as good as IP, but maybe you're semi competent. I don't think you could ever carry a SEN team though.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 18 2009, 12:31 am by Ultimo.



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