AoS Map Idea (Topic)

Alright so after a while of Thinking i have a general idea for an AoS
The Characters Damage, upgrade, starting mana(0-60)
Mana will be maxed at 400-600(Mana goes up by 20's-25's)
Hp will go up as so- +4% for first 10
+5% for last 10
The Leveling system is simple you level alot but spread out over time and 50-70 levels
Another thing i will add is letting you upgrade your spells 3 times(4 civs each up)
so 20 hp levels in all(Making heroes start with 10% hp)
Finally, since items have become a new thing ill add a couple into my map
But only 4 items are rare and found around the map, while 4 others are buyable
I do not have an item usage idea
if anyone has any please post if you want
Purchased Items:

Collapsable Box

Found/Created:

Collapsable Box

Characters:

Knight(Dt)

Collapsable Box

Spirit(Hydralisk)

Collapsable Box

Pirate

Collapsable Box

Elf
Beast
Marksmen
Serial Killer
Mech Tiger
Bomber
Demon
Angel
Dragon/Behemoth(undecided)
Will continue soon

Post has been edited 5 time(s), last time on Nov 27 2009, 5:12 am by Urahara.

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Um... you could have easily written this down somewhere else. What is the purpose of this topic? It's really not much different from many other AOS ideas.

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Um... you could have easily written this down somewhere else. What is the purpose of this topic? It's really not much different from many other AOS ideas.

I dont like writing things down

plus if i put it here its at a place i am every day so i can edit it almost anywhere if i have an idea
also i can get input from other people

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And don't let anyone tell you it's just a HS Copy, because, from the looks of it, you're aiming much higher

Good Luck

Ura, you gotta do something new man...

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And don't let anyone tell you it's just a HS Copy, because, from the looks of it, you're aiming much higher

Good Luck

Ura, you gotta do something new man...

Hey norm whered you pull that quote?

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I like it. Dont make items rare though, make them all buyable, and possibly only certain items for certain characters(easier to balance while keeping diversity), or less break the game items (mutalisk for getaway, tele to base, things that prevent y ou from dieng when you should and canbe used over and over during the game, like assasin l1 except he dies SO EASILY. And his can be stopped/has delay)

Item usage-dropship, either max it out with a unit for blocking dropship capacity, or have them diff size units so i cant have like eight tele things or like eight things that let me stun my opponent.

Factory could also work.

I like your current idea, although what are DT/scout upgs?

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I like your current idea, although what are DT/scout upgs?

Thank you for you ideas, what do you mean by this though?

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Items

Heroes

the characters all seem like the typical, randomly thought out hero. between flashbeer and norm, one can see that each or their heroes has a unique feature that makes it special to the game.
Seeing how you only have 2 unit stats, I take it you didn't do any math with the hero units. At the very least, you should account for speed, damage, attack rate, micro-ability, hp, and damage type (concussion, normal, explosive) (along with double hit units, like the zealot). From there, balance the units so that they will kill each other at the same time (for hp, damage, and attack rate). From there, create a build for that character.

ie: a vulture's main asset is its speed. therefor, being the fastest unit in the game, reduce the life or damage, or both.

what helps is creating a story image of the hero first. for example, your hero the "spirit" is immediately though of as a ghost, although not necessarily evil. its translucent or transparent, and probably floats around with a close ranged attack. in SC units, this is a wraith. however, you probably don't want an air unit for a hero, so the 2nd best choice would be a dt. currently your dt is a "knight". fyi, knights don't cloak, unless its some sort of "phantom knight". from there, make the spells act as something the hero would normally have. A spirit may haunt his opponent, or posses him; maybe make things fall on him.

16 mana- 1: Spite(Slows the Enemy for 5 seconds)(Lvls increase time by 2 seconds) Good spell for a spirit image.
20 mana- 11: Malice(Stops slowing and creates 8 guardians with 13 dmg)(+1 wave of guards) Makes sense, but the guardians should be cloaked, then moved for 1 shot. This way it looks like the yellow balls come from thin air.
34 mana- 2:Pass-through(Creates a scourge, allows unit to move anywhere for 10 seconds)(no lvls) This is a floating teleport spell; name should be changed.
40 mana- 22: Shred(Attacks an opponent from the inside, spawns rapid mutas and guards)(no lvls) No correlation for the above spell.
50 mana- 3: Spirit Crush(Stuns all units and kills all spawns around spirit)(Lasts a second longer each time) I like this spell.
85 mana- 4: Overcome(Spawns 9 Hydralisk and 9 lurkers)(plus 3 of each unit per level) Makes no sense for a spirit. If anything, it should affect the spirit/mind causing mana burn, or mess with his movement (junk yard dog).
90 mana- 44: Redemption(spawns 1 scourge for each hydra and then junkyards, spawns 9 guardians at each scourge quickly and kills)(No level) Once again, Makes no sense for a spirit.

More spirit like spells: Posses an enemy unit (control? junk yard dog?), haunt (dt's chase enemy, or an air unit), summon spirit (calls some friends to help, other dts?)

Heroes (more!)

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Ok so i get what you are saying
But possess?
If i did possess it would be more a spawn takeover then a hero takeover
Haunt isnt bad but thats too Stereotyped that a spirit haunts people
And summon spirit, why the hell does it summon itself?
Also, i already had all of my units planned out but you do bring up ideas, heres what i had
Knight - DT
Spirit - Hydra
Pirate - zealot
Elf - Kerri
Beast - Ling
Marksmen - Ghost
Serial Killer - Firebat
Mech Tiger - Vult
Bomber - Rine
Demon - Dt(Idk if two dts is good idea

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Angel - Tass
Dragon/Behemoth(undecided) - ultralisk

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Whoa! It sounds like CHW - Neo! Plus items, of course.

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Is that good or bad

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If its Neo CHW + items + AoS style, then its alike the map im making....

And beast != ling
Goblin = ling = anoying guy who kicks your shins till you bleed and die
Beast = bad ass

stereotype: Bomber - Rine

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 27 2009, 3:24 am by fat_flying_pigs.

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>be faceless void >mfw I have no face

Make pirate a DT, and knight a zealot. Makes more sense. DT with big swinging cutlass, and zealot with blades and armour.

Red classic.

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If its Neo CHW + items + AoS style, then its alike the map im making....

And beast != ling
Goblin = ling = anoying guy who kicks your shins till you bleed and die
Beast = bad add

stereotype: Bomber - Rine

Beast has 2 forms, Wolf and Gorilla

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Items

Heroes

the characters all seem like the typical, randomly thought out hero. between flashbeer and norm, one can see that each or their heroes has a unique feature that makes it special to the game.
Seeing how you only have 2 unit stats, I take it you didn't do any math with the hero units. At the very least, you should account for speed, damage, attack rate, micro-ability, hp, and damage type (concussion, normal, explosive) (along with double hit units, like the zealot). From there, balance the units so that they will kill each other at the same time (for hp, damage, and attack rate). From there, create a build for that character.

ie: a vulture's main asset is its speed. therefor, being the fastest unit in the game, reduce the life or damage, or both.

what helps is creating a story image of the hero first. for example, your hero the "spirit" is immediately though of as a ghost, although not necessarily evil. its translucent or transparent, and probably floats around with a close ranged attack. in SC units, this is a wraith. however, you probably don't want an air unit for a hero, so the 2nd best choice would be a dt. currently your dt is a "knight". fyi, knights don't cloak, unless its some sort of "phantom knight". from there, make the spells act as something the hero would normally have. A spirit may haunt his opponent, or posses him; maybe make things fall on him.

16 mana- 1: Spite(Slows the Enemy for 5 seconds)(Lvls increase time by 2 seconds) Good spell for a spirit image.
20 mana- 11: Malice(Stops slowing and creates 8 guardians with 13 dmg)(+1 wave of guards) Makes sense, but the guardians should be cloaked, then moved for 1 shot. This way it looks like the yellow balls come from thin air.
34 mana- 2:Pass-through(Creates a scourge, allows unit to move anywhere for 10 seconds)(no lvls) This is a floating teleport spell; name should be changed.
40 mana- 22: Shred(Attacks an opponent from the inside, spawns rapid mutas and guards)(no lvls) No correlation for the above spell.
50 mana- 3: Spirit Crush(Stuns all units and kills all spawns around spirit)(Lasts a second longer each time) I like this spell.
85 mana- 4: Overcome(Spawns 9 Hydralisk and 9 lurkers)(plus 3 of each unit per level) Makes no sense for a spirit. If anything, it should affect the spirit/mind causing mana burn, or mess with his movement (junk yard dog).
90 mana- 44: Redemption(spawns 1 scourge for each hydra and then junkyards, spawns 9 guardians at each scourge quickly and kills)(No level) Once again, Makes no sense for a spirit.

More spirit like spells: Posses an enemy unit (control? junk yard dog?), haunt (dt's chase enemy, or an air unit), summon spirit (calls some friends to help, other dts?)

Heroes (more!)

16 mana- 1: Spite(Slows the Enemy for 5 seconds)(Lvls increase time by 2 seconds)
20 mana- 11: Malice(Stops slowing and creates 8 guardians with 10 dmg(+1 dmg per up)(+1 wave of guards)
34 mana- 2:Pass-through(Creates a scourge, allows unit to move anywhere for 10 seconds)(no lvls)
40 mana- 22: Sneak Attack(Reappear and Attack with 8 Hydras)
50 mana- 3: Life Shock(Stuns all units and kills all spawns around spirit)(Lasts a second longer each time)
85 mana- 4: Haunt(Slows Opponent,Drains Mana, and spawns 10 guardians over 10 seconds)(Guardians double with level)
90 mana- 44: Curse(Stuns opponent for 10 seconds, drains mana twice as fast, and spawns 8 hydras around foe)

Is this better?
I like it a bit more

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 24 2009, 10:19 pm by Urahara.

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Call 3 something other than Spirit Crush(er).

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50 mana- 3: Life Shock(Stuns all units and kills all spawns around spirit)(Lasts a second longer each time)
BETTER?

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:0 Nice map idea Ura. Uh I have no idea how to quote x) so here we go!

"Knight - DT - I agree with the others... a Knight shouldn't necessarily be invisible ;0.
Spirit - Hydra - I personally don't like the unit choice unless you can cloak it with disable/enable triggers.
Pirate - zealot - A zealot doesn't really match the Pirate status quo unless its using duel daggers or whatever.
Elf - Kerri - The whole elf thingy seems a bit overused

Beast - Ling - Make the Beast an Ultralisk to make it look really beasty.
Marksmen - Ghost - Eh. This works

Serial Killer - Firebat - Call it a Pyro? Dunno about this name choice. Something about it just bothers me greatly

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Mech Tiger - Vult - I don't really see the "Tiger" part that's needed. But then again, "Mech" alone would look a bit dull and plain

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Bomber - Rine - Wouldn't a firebat be better as a Bomber seeing as its close range and melee, wielding a flamethrower or whatever?
Demon - Dt(Idk if two dts is good idea

) - Two Dark Templars would not be a good decision in my own opinion. A Infested Sarah Kerrigan would work as a demon I think. Or possibly a Deflier.
Angel - Tass - I really don't think Tassadar is the correct choice for this type of name. If your dead set about using "Angel" I'd use a medic as was listed above.
Dragon/Behemoth(undecided) - ultralisk" - I really don't like this. Seeing as how most units are small/medium typed and having one large unit will kinda unbalance it. Also if you plan to terrain excessively, then be prepared to make spaces for an ultralisk to move through with ease.

But yeah. Nice map you've got going here.

Did my quoting work? o.o

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:0 Nice map idea Ura. Uh I have no idea how to quote x) so here we go!

"Knight - DT - I agree with the others... a Knight shouldn't necessarily be invisible ;0.
Spirit - Hydra - I personally don't like the unit choice unless you can cloak it with disable/enable triggers.
Pirate - zealot - A zealot doesn't really match the Pirate status quo unless its using duel daggers or whatever.
Elf - Kerri - The whole elf thingy seems a bit overused

Beast - Ling - Make the Beast an Ultralisk to make it look really beasty.
Marksmen - Ghost - Eh. This works

Serial Killer - Firebat - Call it a Pyro? Dunno about this name choice. Something about it just bothers me greatly

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Mech Tiger - Vult - I don't really see the "Tiger" part that's needed. But then again, "Mech" alone would look a bit dull and plain

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Bomber - Rine - Wouldn't a firebat be better as a Bomber seeing as its close range and melee, wielding a flamethrower or whatever?
Demon - Dt(Idk if two dts is good idea

) - Two Dark Templars would not be a good decision in my own opinion. A Infested Sarah Kerrigan would work as a demon I think. Or possibly a Deflier.
Angel - Tass - I really don't think Tassadar is the correct choice for this type of name. If your dead set about using "Angel" I'd use a medic as was listed above.
Dragon/Behemoth(undecided) - ultralisk" - I really don't like this. Seeing as how most units are small/medium typed and having one large unit will kinda unbalance it. Also if you plan to terrain excessively, then be prepared to make spaces for an ultralisk to move through with ease.

But yeah. Nice map you've got going here.

Did my quoting work? o.o

Lol?
I find one flaw in what you said
You said to use an ultra for my beast to make it look beasty
and then you said it wouldnt be smart to use the ultra
??
But overall i just used those characters for now, alot of people said to change it and i probably will
Thanks to those who have contributed

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Kk, so first.

Knight can = DT.

Zeal carries two light swords, which is more something a pirate would do, is also fast.

Irl, no Knight is fast. They also carry a sword and shield (possibly represented by DT constant set shields?) and have heavy armor, meaning theyre slow and hard to manuver until theyre on their horse (spell possibility?)

Beast CAN BE ling. Panther = Beast, yet it is nothing like an ultralisk. Wolves are beasts too, and assuming this is some king lone wolf, it could easily be a killer ling.

Dragon = Flight.

Behemoth as ultra works, but you might want to think of Archon, if only for increased moveability.

AoS =/= Day/Night system. He could have it so it never goes night, and then the cloaking wouldnt even matter.

Also i believe theirs ways for you to uncloak a unit without giving horrible sight or anything, but idk. I would think so though.

I like serial killer as firebat, i like it alot.

Elf is hardly used in AoS.

Tiger being that its fast. Makes sense if you think about what some primitive units (beast) would call a vulture.

If your a bomber and you wear a flamethrower, im surprised you live past 20.

Scimitar (on the open seas, swords got you cut down.)/Dagger was the pirates arsenal of weaponry, along with pistol (which works as a l1 spell)

I loved angel as tass. Medic seems too human. Also, medic walks, Tass moves by teleporting himself and leaning.

Two DTs works, although because its 2v2, nope you have spirit, so yeah. You need about 3 cloaking units for detection to be ever worth it in a given game. Else itll be so rarely useable..

Althogh when i think of demon i would be thinking of a DA.

Zany, check up on history. Pirates did not use *Big swinging cutlass* like weapons. They used scimitars and such as fighting with multiple people around you meant any picking up of your weapon got you shot or cut.

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