I've been reading a lot about EUDs lately and i know this is possible, though im still very confused on what to do

Ultimatly, i want to have the ability to detect stim packs for each player, each player only owns 1 unit that can stim

then i want to be able to detect if someone casts a spell (ensnare)

these units wont be preplaced, they'll be created in the game; but they'll all be within a particular location

Wil this work, or am i wasting my time by trying to set this up?

Alright:

EUDs have to be preplaced or PREDICTABLY CREATED. That means you have to make sure they are created in a certain spot in the unit table. I haven't gone through testing yet, since I haven't needed to, but I think newly created units will always be created in the lowest vacant spot. In memory it looks something like this:
1 1700 1699 1698 ... 3 2. The first unit created is first in the unit table. The second unit created is the last in the unit table.

When you kill a unit, it goes through its death animation, then is removed from the unit table, creating a vacancy. This might be correct. That means if you wait a little while after the unit dies, and then create your unit, it will be placed in that unit slot on the table.

Now, for detecting stimpacks. There's a bit of a problem here, as three things change when using stim packs. First, health is decreased by 10 exactly. This can be detected by detecting ALL of the unit's health values (you probably only need the whole numbers and not the extra precision). Then, set a DC to that number. Use binary countoffs to compare the previous frame with the current frame. If it's 10, then you have stimmed.

Another alternative is to detect the unit's speed. I don't know how to do this, but it's probably somewhere in the iscript area. Perhaps a modder can tell you how 2 is added to the unit's iscript, and that can be detected.

The same goes for the 3rd aspect, where you detect cooldown. However, I've never been able to detect cooldown on any unit, even though you can detect the timer for the cooldown, just not what it's supposed to be set to.

For detecting a spell: do you want to detect when the queen/kerrigan casts it, or whether or not the unit is ensnared? If you want to detect when it is ensnared, you can detect the top speed if it's controlled by flingy.dat. I'm not sure how to detect iscript ensnares. If you want to detect when it's cast, you can either detect cooldown timer, or detect the energy difference.

O_O you can detect the cooldown for any spell using EUDs only? this sounds interesting...
if you can detect the timer, can't you just try something like "at least 256"

So i would have to have these units preplaced on the map, and i would have to sit in each players position and calculate out all this information with health difference?

i've been reading over fartys tutorial on this too, but i have a problem. it says to edit starforges data file, and i dont have a data file in my starforge folder.

and i thought scmdraft could write euds

i have all the information, but im confused on the last part about the byte offset

can anyone explain this to me?

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

+0x54 - BYTE bMainOrderTimer
+0x55 - BYTE bGroundWeaponCooldown
+0x56 - BYTE bAirWeaponCooldown
+0x57 - BYTE bSpellCooldown
are all detected via the same EUD. These are the timers, and can be detected, but only when they are greater than 0. They don't stay some number (like 15 for marine).

Also, I just found this in the reference, I think you can detect it here:


For help on EUDs, please refer to everything in this thread.
http://www.staredit.net/topic/6256/
Do some tutorials as well, so you can make your own map. Also, where's farty's tutorial?

http://www.staredit.net/wiki/EUDs

im not really sure where to put all the information that the tutorial tells me to find

the basis is you use the program eudtrig to turn memory locations into trigger conditions that check the amount of deaths for a particular unit by a particular player 0-255

Yeah, Bronto wrote that for the wiki. Farty said he'd write one, but never did, afaik.

Follow the health detection tutorial first, that will get you introduced to EUD creation. Make sure you open up the map and see what the triggers look like.

yeah i understand that part

ive read through a bunch of tutorials and theres a few parts i still dont quite get

i dont know how to make the trigger itself

in the tutorial i posted, it says i need to edit the data file, but i dont have a data file anywhere so idk what to do

you can't with staredit get scmdraft2 latest version and it has a "Memory" condition which will compile into a standard trigger.

nvm i found it

how to i make it into a death condition tho?

make a new trigger and under conditions look for "Memory" if it's not there you haven't got the latest scmdraft

it will translate it into a death condition for you. with the memory condition you just specify the offset and value to check

like for one of my units i use to check if the unit goes below 50% hp but is not dead (between 1 and 1000 cause the unit has 2000 max hp)

157879 is the offset for the particular unit's hp that i found by scanning memory

Post has been edited 4 time(s), last time on Jul 10 2009, 8:51 pm by crutex.

Is it really that hard?

what is the cooldown relative to though? is it stored for each unit? the hp thing is easy to find because you can set it to whatever value you want.

cooldown is the number of frames a unit has to wait after beginning the attack sequence before it can attack again. There is a cooldown timer which is easily detectable for each unit. There is a reference cooldown in units.dat which describes the base cooldown of the unit. This is already known. It can't be changed. Somehow, using upgrades, some units can attack faster, presumably by the flag I posted earlier.

so how do u go from the hex number that EUDTrig calls for to that number there?

hmm using datedit I could not find a cooldown value listed for any unit.

okay... so whats the death table location?

i am just super confused

i have this

memory offset: 0x59CCB1
player: 2
unit id: 1586

waht do i do now?

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 10 2009, 9:36 pm by Toothfariy.

Do you see it now? It's under weapons.

Death table is player 1 deaths of terran marine. You can either find it yourself or look online, but I'd recommend finding it yourself. It's already on the EUDDB.
(0x59ccb1-0x58a364)/4 = 19027

Your condition will look like this:
memory(19027, quantcompare, quantmod)

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 11 2009, 1:43 am by rockz.