I feel this discussion belongs here, becuase it involves SEN as a community being able to interact on Bnet.

Op SEN has been recently overrun (Yes overrun) by Temple Siege. Now while some feed back is alright, we have people spamming the channel for temple siege matches when the channel NORMALLY is used for Mapping, Assistance, And Map Night. However, anyone that DOES come into the channel now, is instantly exiled, and harrassed. A friend of my friend is now being spammed constantly by users who feel their participation in op sen is ruleless. I understand the frustration bots are to mantain these days, but this behavior is reflecting SEN BADLY as a whole. When we have o0Maxx0o in Op sen telling everyone to quote "suck my balls" and "my balls are so swallen from your girl friend". Anyone new who comes into op sen who sees this behavior I doubt will ever come back again.

So with that being said, either Unholy PLEASE move the TS community elsewere (Not gonna happen, he says its not his problem, so this ship has fucking sailed), or can we start banning these malicious users from Op Sen, because as we all know, SEN stands for Staredit Network, not Temple Siege havok deeathmatch spam flame everyone a thon. Its impossible to find a decent map tester when everyone leaves the channel when one of these overlly agressive users finds themself in our mapping hovel.

Edit: I wouldnt mind taking on the challange of running ops myself, I run my computer 24/7 with probably 99% uptime. This problem has bothered me and others too much to go on.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Apr 18 2009, 3:48 am by Dark_Marine.

Moose gives ops to people whom he trusts. I question his choice of Max as an unbiased watcher.

Yeah Idk how the fuck maxx ever got control of SEN, but he's banned me from the channel before. I agree, there are a number of fags who keep coming into Op SEN and being disruptive. We need to do something about this.

Its constant. I can't go in there for what I need anymore either, because of Temple Siege.

It needs to be like NFL Blitz. Channel, forums, ELSEWHERE. The map is good, and I enjoy it from time to time, but its gotten out of hand.

I hope Moose changes it to people who aren't immature. Moogle shitlisted me for no reason and annoys the fuck out of me afterwards in my channel.

I assumed that because everything went all right when TheKupoNut was holding ops through the previous TS tournament, that it would not cause problems if he were to maintain ops given to this bot on a regular basis. Apparently this was an incorrect assumption on my part.

I certainly never directly provided ops or power in the channel to MaXX. So, Vi3t, you are incorrect to say that I made any choice regarding how much power MaXX would have or even that I "trust" him. Either he had access on the bot or TheKupoNut's owner gave him ops.

Temple Siege is fine. Flaming and spam and general dickery are not. Otherwise, they have as much right to use the channel as you do and a topic will not be banned from discussion just because you don't like it.

The rules still apply to them, if they do it too much the general thing to do is exile...

If you feel Op sen should harbor immature 12 year old and flamers fine, but when people stop seeing SEN as a mapping community and just Temple Siege, well, itll be a cold fucking day.

Not to mention, they CONTINUE to come HERE, to flame users.

Actually Maxx was actually on SEN a while back, and I'm pretty sure that is what they are all talking about. The rumor is that him and IP are friends or something.

I do not recommend Dark Marine hold the ops because I could definitely see him going ban happy.

I do not need any endorsements provided for or against particular persons holding ops.

I had ops one time in sen. Dunno why I was given them, nor did I abuse them. I still have screenshots of the event too.

Ah, yes, I recognize the name now. On February 21st, 2009, o0MaXX0o obtained ops in op sen and a similar situation happened. I would definitely not give him ops after that, and he should've really known better than to think that he could pull it off again.

Then again, you know what they say about history...

I move to disown Op SEN once and for all as officially done by SEN.. this is hardly the first or even the tenth time there's been a thread complaining about misuse of ops/other problems in the channel.

People, please keep these personal and emotionally-charged disputes out of the forums and into Private Messages, IMs, whatever. This sort of thing does not belong on the forums. Frankly, all of you have been involved on SEN long enough to know better.

True for both sides. o0MaXX0o is suspended for a week already, so let's hold off on the buy-one-get-one-free deals.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Apr 18 2009, 6:16 am by Mini Moose 2707.

I'm still a very strong believer of someone making a better more situated home for Temple Siege, because DM is right. I've been going to Op SEN lately looking for a potentional tester for my new map, and all I find are the same as usual bots, and people I'd rather not trust with my map. I've seen enough flame and back talking in there in the past week to last me a lifetime, and because of it, I'm positive that some of the crowd has migrated away, or doesn't step in often anymore.

As someone who was around SEN a bit before TS but nowadays completely focused on it, I can definitely agree with what's been said.

Temple Siege is getting to that rare point for a UMS where it has the potential for clans to be built around it. I can only think of a few maps for which this has been the case, and Snipers is the only one with any success. In my opinion the only thing that's stopping this from happening right now is that there are so many different versions and different ideas on which is the best. There are literally 4 different versions which have decent support, and while the community is decently sized, it's not that big... I have confidence that once (if) the version situation with Temple Siege is resolved, clans with their own channels WILL spring up and there will be an end to Op SEN being the main hangout for these players.

Until that time, I'm not particularly concerned with what is done with them. If you ban them (us?), maybe they'll go elsewhere. If someone can provide me with a bot that can run WC2 B.net, D2, or WC3, I'd be willing host a channel myself and get Temple Siegers their own community and out of the hair of SEN. Until last night my computer had literally been on for 34 days or so straight, so uptime with the bot is pretty much a non-issue.

Like Moose said, he doesn't need any suggestions for ops, and myself, I don't think Ops is the problem. However, you are right about the "rare point" for UMS maps to reach like Temple Siege has done. It needs somewhere more permanant, that isn't a place that discusses maps, and has Map Night and all the like. I'm positive we all don't want Map Night to become Siege Night.

Read posts better please.

Use google next time.

www.stealthbot.net

If you want mapping assistance, follow lethal_illusion. Him and Kaias always get long time mappers in their channel.

If you want a channel to interact with SEN users, go op SEN. Unfortunately for you, Temple Siege is a very popular map. If they are hostile, blizzard has provided /squelch.

At the end of the day, if a person visits the site and the channel, their opinion will be of here. You two bickering above is an even worse impression made. Think about it.

Do you really think I'd be asking if bots were as easy to find as they used to? Warden has been very successful in keeping bots from working, if nothing else. I talked to a bunch of people and so far only Ruthless has bypassed the recent Warden change, that I've been able to find, and it's not exactly the easiest bot to get working. http://bnetweb.org/moderation-bots/l2uthless-ops-v2-12/

If people think running a separate channel would be a good solution, I'd be willing to do it. I'd add a few moderators that I know from here and from elsewhere, but generally keep power limited. I need to find a bot that I can get working, though. Ruthless is semi-ridiculous, anyone with a good amount of bot knowledge PM me please. =o