[quote=Crystal Fire Dragon]Hey, why do you believe in a God? I can turn your question against you. I don't believe in God because I am a very empirical person. I don't listen to some ramblings of a preacher or someone else and follow their word without question or evidence.[/quote] Just what I was about to post. I usually don't trust people I barely know who tell me I should go to hell, and have no evidence to back what they're saying other than a first century AD fiction book.

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Hey, why do you believe in a God? I can turn your question against you.
I don't believe in God because I am a very empirical person. I don't listen to some ramblings of a preacher or someone else and follow their word without question or evidence.

Just what I was about to post. I usually don't trust people I barely know who tell me I should go to hell, and have no evidence to back what they're saying other than a first century AD fiction book.

Are you actually serious in thinking that the bible is not from moses' time? Because moses, jesus, and most other prophets are not fiction, they are fact. Jesus actually existed in history, whether or not you believe that he was the son of god is up to you, I guess in the end it is all up to you. I am never going to persuade you to believe in god over online forums, there is really no way. So I am going to just leave you with a scripture: Joshua 24:15: "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose ye this day whom ye will serve, whether it be the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Ammorites, in who's land ye dwell, but as for me in my house, we shall serve the Lord."

Are you actually serious in thinking that the bible is not from moses' time? Because moses, jesus, and most other prophets are not fiction, they are fact. Jesus actually existed in history, whether or not you believe that he was the son of god is up to you, I guess in the end it is all up to you. I am never going to persuade you to believe in god over online forums, there is really no way. So I am going to just leave you with a scripture:

Joshua 24:15: "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose ye this day whom ye will serve, whether it be the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Ammorites, in who's land ye dwell, but as for me in my house, we shall serve the Lord."

[quote]Just what I was about to post. I usually don't trust people I barely know who tell me I should go to hell, and have no evidence to back what they're saying other than a first century AD fiction book.[/quote] Once again, when did I say I believed in a god? (Stupid last post per page thing ._.)

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Just what I was about to post. I usually don't trust people I barely know who tell me I should go to hell, and have no evidence to back what they're saying other than a first century AD fiction book.

Once again, when did I say I believed in a god? (Stupid last post per page thing ._.)

um... the bible wasn't written in first century A.D. it was written over the course of thousands of years

um... the bible wasn't written in first century A.D.
it was written over the course of thousands of years

Religion stems from people attempting to understand the world without any quantifiable knowledge. As civilization progresses, defenders of religion search for proof of their beliefs. Science is the opposite, once people had a decent enough understanding of how the world works they could start devising explanations and predictions based on that knowledge. Science revises itself whenever new information is discovered that contradicts what was believed to be fact, religion stays relatively static and suggests that a higher being has made things the way they are intentionally. From a psychological stand point it's easy to appreciate how both sides would have a healthy number of advocates as both provide explanation for the world's and our existence. From a logician's stand point, religion is an obsolete attempt at explaining the universe now that science has advanced enough to supersede mythology and faith. I voted "no god" as there has yet to be found quantifiable proof of a higher deity orchestrating the world, life, or any aspect of the universe. ~Ayra

Religion stems from people attempting to understand the world without any quantifiable knowledge. As civilization progresses, defenders of religion search for proof of their beliefs. Science is the opposite, once people had a decent enough understanding of how the world works they could start devising explanations and predictions based on that knowledge. Science revises itself whenever new information is discovered that contradicts what was believed to be fact, religion stays relatively static and suggests that a higher being has made things the way they are intentionally. From a psychological stand point it's easy to appreciate how both sides would have a healthy number of advocates as both provide explanation for the world's and our existence. From a logician's stand point, religion is an obsolete attempt at explaining the universe now that science has advanced enough to supersede mythology and faith.

I voted "no god" as there has yet to be found quantifiable proof of a higher deity orchestrating the world, life, or any aspect of the universe.

~Ayra

The explaination science has is not a fact, as you people seem to think, it is a theory, and as no one has ever been able to actually test the theory, it has just about as much base as religion.

The explaination science has is not a fact, as you people seem to think, it is a theory, and as no one has ever been able to actually test the theory, it has just about as much base as religion.

[QUOTE=Falkoner]The explaination science has is not a fact, as you people seem to think, it is a theory, and as no one has ever been able to actually test the theory, it has just about as much base as religion.[/QUOTE] I never intended for my words to mean that I think science is fact. I apologize if such is the case. I believe that science has a [B]more believable[/B] theory than religion, as it has more support than just a book that anyone could have written in boredom.

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The explaination science has is not a fact, as you people seem to think, it is a theory, and as no one has ever been able to actually test the theory, it has just about as much base as religion.

I never intended for my words to mean that I think science is fact. I apologize if such is the case. I believe that science has a more believable theory than religion, as it has more support than just a book that anyone could have written in boredom.

crystal & armony, your the kind of people that make agnostics look bad. You'll graduate to cheezus' level when you learn to stop hating god, and just not believe in it.
anyways, e=mc^2 aleady disproves an omnipotent being

crystal & armony,
your the kind of people that make agnostics look bad.

You'll graduate to cheezus' level when you learn to stop hating god, and just not believe in it.
anyways, e=mc^2 aleady disproves an omnipotent being

[Quote=Falkoner]The explaination science has is not a fact, as you people seem to think, it is a theory, and as no one has ever been able to actually test the theory, it has just about as much base as religion.[/Quote] What...? Religion is centuries old mythology which attempts to describe events in the world using the knowledge of ancient to medieval times as its primary basis. Science is an understanding of the world looking at it with a modern viewpoint and the most update information ascertained with which to best describe how things work. Religion and science are polar opposites, one claims to understand the world and explains how new findings may fit into its philosophy whilst science attempts to understand the world based on information had, new evidences and discoveries force scientific principles and beliefs to be revised so as to best understand what is currently known. Theory is one step below fact. Something is a theory when it has withstood the test of time and has yet to be disproved while at the same time accurately explains any relevant events or discoveries to which it may pertain. With our current understanding of the universe, the idea of the Big Bang is currently the most prominent theory that provides a satisfactory explanation for mathematical models which describe how matter in the universe is traveling away from each other. It fits in with the redshift of most moving objects which we can observe from Earth and current measurements of light and distance as best as we can determine, it fits in with the hypothesis of virtual particles, it fits in with the current molecular structure of planets orbitting second and third generation stars as best as we can determine. It is not fact but it is currently the best explanation to be ascertained by observing the universe. The idea of a god (or gods as most earlier religions were polytheistic) was a rudimentary explanation for the origins of the universe based on what was known at the time, which was that rubbing sticks makes fire and humans were the only animals able to develop their own methods of language and mathematics which allowed for civilized progression. That was thousands of years ago, the hypothesis is outdated and the idea of a magical deity which cannot be observed any way, shape, or form and orchestrates life on this planet doesn't fit in with any other observable phenomena humans have yet discovered. Your magical deity has as much of a realistic credible basis as the magical ten foot tall invisible phantom hamadryad unicorn, which interferes with the outside world in no detectable way at all, that lives in my garage. ~Ayra

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The explaination science has is not a fact, as you people seem to think, it is a theory, and as no one has ever been able to actually test the theory, it has just about as much base as religion.

What...? Religion is centuries old mythology which attempts to describe events in the world using the knowledge of ancient to medieval times as its primary basis. Science is an understanding of the world looking at it with a modern viewpoint and the most update information ascertained with which to best describe how things work. Religion and science are polar opposites, one claims to understand the world and explains how new findings may fit into its philosophy whilst science attempts to understand the world based on information had, new evidences and discoveries force scientific principles and beliefs to be revised so as to best understand what is currently known.

Theory is one step below fact. Something is a theory when it has withstood the test of time and has yet to be disproved while at the same time accurately explains any relevant events or discoveries to which it may pertain. With our current understanding of the universe, the idea of the Big Bang is currently the most prominent theory that provides a satisfactory explanation for mathematical models which describe how matter in the universe is traveling away from each other. It fits in with the redshift of most moving objects which we can observe from Earth and current measurements of light and distance as best as we can determine, it fits in with the hypothesis of virtual particles, it fits in with the current molecular structure of planets orbitting second and third generation stars as best as we can determine. It is not fact but it is currently the best explanation to be ascertained by observing the universe. The idea of a god (or gods as most earlier religions were polytheistic) was a rudimentary explanation for the origins of the universe based on what was known at the time, which was that rubbing sticks makes fire and humans were the only animals able to develop their own methods of language and mathematics which allowed for civilized progression. That was thousands of years ago, the hypothesis is outdated and the idea of a magical deity which cannot be observed any way, shape, or form and orchestrates life on this planet doesn't fit in with any other observable phenomena humans have yet discovered. Your magical deity has as much of a realistic credible basis as the magical ten foot tall invisible phantom hamadryad unicorn, which interferes with the outside world in no detectable way at all, that lives in my garage.

~Ayra

As I have already said, while you may not believe that there is not a God, I do, and my faith in Him does not require you to believe as well.

As I have already said, while you may not believe that there is not a God, I do, and my faith in Him does not require you to believe as well.

Your poll is missing an option, which is "maybe". The work that scientists do is much like fitting together a big jigsaw puzzle, except much slower. Finding one piece may take years rather than seconds. As the puzzle starts to become complete, people interpret their own way what the puzzle will turn out to be. Scientists are the ones fitting the puzzle, and we are the ones who speculate. In other words, athiests are not scientists, and they do not side with science. Athiests simply guess about the puzzle in the same way that religious people do. The right answer is no answer, we haven't found out what happened before the big bang, and therefore we don't know anything at all. For all we know, a god could have created the big bang, or it could have happened because of physics, or it might not even related to either of those. To assume one way or the other makes us just as ignorant as early civilizations and their assumptions that gods controlled everything. Athiests and religious people are both just as wrong, we can't assume anything yet because the puzzle isn't complete. Just wait for an answer.

Your poll is missing an option, which is "maybe".
The work that scientists do is much like fitting together a big jigsaw puzzle, except much slower. Finding one piece may take years rather than seconds. As the puzzle starts to become complete, people interpret their own way what the puzzle will turn out to be. Scientists are the ones fitting the puzzle, and we are the ones who speculate. In other words, athiests are not scientists, and they do not side with science. Athiests simply guess about the puzzle in the same way that religious people do. The right answer is no answer, we haven't found out what happened before the big bang, and therefore we don't know anything at all. For all we know, a god could have created the big bang, or it could have happened because of physics, or it might not even related to either of those. To assume one way or the other makes us just as ignorant as early civilizations and their assumptions that gods controlled everything. Athiests and religious people are both just as wrong, we can't assume anything yet because the puzzle isn't complete. Just wait for an answer.

Science doesn't explain everything guys, seriously, people there's a scientific explanation for everything, But there isnt, so the only explanation for somethings has to be god.

Science doesn't explain everything guys, seriously, people there's a scientific explanation for everything, But there isnt, so the only explanation for somethings has to be god.

Science is the process of finding out why things happen, and since everything has a cause, everything is science. If there is god, his existance is scientific. Science explains everything, it's just that we haven't found all of science yet. If you're in a dark room and you explore half of it, does that mean the other half can't be explorable?

Science is the process of finding out why things happen, and since everything has a cause, everything is science. If there is god, his existance is scientific. Science explains everything, it's just that we haven't found all of science yet. If you're in a dark room and you explore half of it, does that mean the other half can't be explorable?

Who is PwnPirate? :}

Who is PwnPirate?

[Quote=cheeze]Who is PwnPirate? :}[/Quote] Some blasphemer who will one day feel God's wrath due to his nonbelief. To all who voted No God, change your ways now or you will regret it later along with PwnPirate. Also remember that Jesus still loves you and science is simply a tool created by the devil to keep you off the path to salvation.

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Who is PwnPirate?

Some blasphemer who will one day feel God's wrath due to his nonbelief.

To all who voted No God, change your ways now or you will regret it later along with PwnPirate. Also remember that Jesus still loves you and science is simply a tool created by the devil to keep you off the path to salvation.

What devilesk said.

What devilesk said.

science wouldn't really be from the devil... since it's basically mankind's technological progress, so it's pretty required.

science wouldn't really be from the devil... since it's basically mankind's technological progress, so it's pretty required.

Yes, science and technology go hand in hand. Technology is the other tool the devil has created.

Yes, science and technology go hand in hand. Technology is the other tool the devil has created.

Yes. Renounce the ways of the sinner and give me cash. God wants you to.

Yes. Renounce the ways of the sinner and give me cash. God wants you to.

Science isn't of the devil, neither is technology, only when it is used to deny the existence of God and tell us that we are not his children.

Science isn't of the devil, neither is technology, only when it is used to deny the existence of God and tell us that we are not his children.