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My First Time With Terrain
Oct 15 2008, 12:49 am
By: NothingZ  

Oct 15 2008, 12:49 am NothingZ Post #1





Hi, this is my first time creating blended terrain, I know it's not that good, so that's why I would like to take in some suggestions and help! ^^



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Oct 15 2008, 1:16 am MNeox Post #2



What were you trying to make?
If you're going to present a piece, at least remove the grid first.
If you're asking about terrain, you haven't done anything related to terrain, all I see is basic isom with sprites bunched up in two areas. I would suggest you experiment with tiles and get a clear outcome of what you want. Sprites are a very small portion to making terrain.



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Oct 15 2008, 1:32 am Fwop_ Post #3



Hmm.. I didn't know isom didn't count as terrain, what was blizzard thinking calling that terrain?

Just keep playing around with terrain, look at good examples of terrain and first be able to mimic those then you will be able to make your own (it will take some imagination oh no).



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Oct 15 2008, 2:56 am NothingZ Post #4



Sorry, I wasn't clear. I wanted to try blending things around..



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Oct 15 2008, 3:02 am Fwop_ Post #5



Might I suggest something? Whenever you try to make any kind of terrain, always try to have some sort of natural feel or realism to the piece. Mixing it up with sprites and corners will really help (keep it seemingly random).



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Oct 15 2008, 3:08 am NothingZ Post #6



Quote from Fwop_
Might I suggest something? Whenever you try to make any kind of terrain, always try to have some sort of natural feel or realism to the piece. Mixing it up with sprites and corners will really help (keep it seemingly random).

Thanks for your suggestion.
To you right now, how does the picture look? Could I get any examples that can be done to mine?

Oh, and I also would like to know how could buildings be created terrain wise?

EDIT: I have attempted to create a building, please add/include any suggestions to your posts of this building ^.^.

http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buildingjm7.jpg'><img src='http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4559/buildingjm7.th.jpg' border='0'/></a>" style="max-width:500px; max-height:500px;" onclick="javascript:show_image(235607141)" id="image_clickable_235607141" class="image_clickable">

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Oct 15 2008, 3:15 am by NothingZ.



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Oct 15 2008, 3:14 am Fwop_ Post #7



To be honest, your work just doesn't seem natural (generally when I think of terrain, I don't think of man-made). I would try to just avoid large squares, just by changing edges to be curved adds so much more to realism. I don't think I have any examples off the top of my head, but you could look through Falkoner's Terrain Compilation for help. Something I like to do, is look at real life situations and outline that into my map, it doesn't get more natural than real natural.

For buildings, do you mean something like this? They are different for each tileset, so you'd have to play around with some different cliffs for ice.




Oct 15 2008, 3:18 am NothingZ Post #8



Quote from Fwop_
To be honest, your work just doesn't seem natural (generally when I think of terrain, I don't think of man-made). I would try to just avoid large squares, just by changing edges to be curved adds so much more to realism. I don't think I have any examples off the top of my head, but you could look through Falkoner's Terrain Compilation for help. Something I like to do, is look at real life situations and outline that into my map, it doesn't get more natural than real natural.

For buildings, do you mean something like this? They are different for each tileset, so you'd have to play around with some different cliffs for ice.

When you say unnatural, do you mean how the objects and terrain are placed, for example, how the ramp is surrounded by trees?
Oh and thanks for your links, and for the building, that is actually what I meant.



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Oct 15 2008, 3:25 am ClansAreForGays Post #9



I like your snow terrain, and I'd use in a map if I was working in that tileset.




Oct 15 2008, 3:26 am Fwop_ Post #10



What I mean is, look at your trees. They are equally space and all are the same sprite. Variation is the key to making terrain look more natural. And how often do you come across nice little rectangles in nature? From my experiences, it's usually quite random. Though, it also does depend on what kind of terrain you want to make (obviously in a city you will have rectangles or less variability).



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Oct 15 2008, 3:26 am NothingZ Post #11



Quote from ClansAreForGays
I like your snow terrain, and I'd use in a map if I was working in that tileset.

Thanks for your complement ^^
Does it look like a hill to anyone though?

Quote from Fwop_
What I mean is, look at your trees. They are equally space and all are the same sprite. Variation is the key to making terrain look more natural. And how often do you come across nice little rectangles in nature? From my experiences, it's usually quite random. Though, it also does depend on what kind of terrain you want to make (obviously in a city you will have rectangles or less variability).

Ah, I see what you mean now. That I believe is what it lacks from all the other ones.



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Oct 15 2008, 3:31 am Fwop_ Post #12



Your building looks good for a first try (can I assume it's a first try?, I'm not much of a building fan, though). On buildings, you want to try to reduce blockiness as much as possible. You can always come up with better blends to get rid of the distractions and keep your building continuous.

Was it supposed to be a hill? I can kind of see one if I like at it from a distance and force myself to see one.



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Oct 15 2008, 3:36 am NothingZ Post #13



Quote from Fwop_
Your building looks good for a first try (can I assume it's a first try?, I'm not much of a building fan, though). On buildings, you want to try to reduce blockiness as much as possible. You can always come up with better blends to get rid of the distractions and keep your building continuous.

Was it supposed to be a hill? I can kind of see one if I like at it from a distance and force myself to see one.

Yep, that was my first attempt on the building. Also, for the blocky sections, I wanted to make it like a straight line going through each level, but I could not find it. It could be because I wasn't taking enough time on it.

The first blend is supposed to be a hill, but just a bit hard to see. I wanted to make a slope kind of effect on the hill, but I guess it didn't turn out that great.



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Oct 15 2008, 3:45 am Fwop_ Post #14



If you want to get a hill effect, you could try making some sort of half height cliffs with ramps all around it. I don't think I've ever seen a good hill--that is, one that just looks like the terrain in the middle is higher than the surrounding.



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Oct 15 2008, 3:51 am NothingZ Post #15



I think sprites that are curving towards a center that is going up would make it look more like a hill :).



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Oct 15 2008, 3:53 am Fwop_ Post #16



It kind of does, but to the extent that you wanted? I saw what you were going for, but it's very subtle.



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Oct 15 2008, 5:17 am JaBoK Post #17



You know, I remember my first time with terrain too, it was 9:30 pm....



Yeah, try using less sprites and more variation, you'd also want to get a good idea of just what you're making. In real life you rarely find water like that so close to ice, especially with a weird dirt thing and then a whack of snow.



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Oct 15 2008, 5:24 am Falkoner Post #18



If you are starting terrain, you should really get to know the basics. Check out the tutorials on my website(the link is in my signature) they should give you some basics to build off of, and from there you can go on to create your own blends. Sorry if the site colors are annoying, I'm currently working on a new version of the entire website, but it's not finished yet.



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Oct 15 2008, 5:31 am MNeox Post #19



Quote from Falkoner
If you are starting terrain, you should really get to know the basics. Check out the tutorials on my website(the link is in my signature) they should give you some basics to build off of, and from there you can go on to create your own blends. Sorry if the site colors are annoying, I'm currently working on a new version of the entire website, but it's not finished yet.

what ever happened to that rave music? I used to dance to it :[



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Oct 15 2008, 4:10 pm Falkoner Post #20



Too many people complained :( I removed it, however, when I update the site, I'll have a skin similar to the one on it now, and music that you can toggle on :)



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