I didn't say that American culture is hot dogs and burgers. I said that's what I think of American culture as. There's a difference. I was saying that since you're bringing the cultural differences into this discussion, you need to provide some evidence that happiness in Denmark differs from happiness in America. You're giving a 'maybe' argument. This is serious discussion.

As for the differences in culture, that's part of America. 'Culture' can be influenced by the state, and is determined by the lifestyle provided by the state. You're not getting something.

Are you serious? McCain went to military school. And going to a "good" college does not make someone smart. It is by how someone takes the education and what they do with it. Maybe McCain couldn't afford to go to a good college because his family was a military family. At least McCain served his country on his own will. Let's not forget, if that was an issue, he wouldn't have been serving the government for quite a long time.

If you want to proof from me that Danish happiness is different from American happiness, then you'll have to provide proof that the only reason the Danish are the happiest people is because they have socialism. Otherwise, it's a moot point.

That sounds like a very educated statement.

McCain has a much larger political background than Obama (and most other politicians really).

McCain graduated 5th from the bottom of his class, out of almost 900 students; his father and grandfather were well respected admirals, and I'm sure they had the money and connections to get him almost anywhere. Ture, going to a good college does not make you smart, but I think that if a lower income African American can become the first Black President of Harvard Law Review, turn down offers to work for some of the wealthiest firms in America and turn the lives around of thousands in Illinois instead for nothing in return, is a good judge of his education and intellect.

McCain has served Arizona for over 20 years, yes, but is likely to lose his seat in 2010 to Governor Napolitano. Arizonians across race, age, and political ideogloy no longer recognise the man after he surrendered his moderate views to the far-right base of his party.

Better than choosing who you are voting for based purely on race or blindly voting for your party, like the majority of both parties.


He was a POW, and has been around longer. He's been known to do some mavericky things. On Obama's first day, party leaders of both sides were taken aback by the power and leadership of the man.

Fairness is a double sided coin. Unfairness can be advantageous and otherwise, when you take from the rich and give to the poor it is unfair to both the beneficiaries and the heavily taxed.

An animal should not have its egg cracked for it, or it can't develop or grow properly. I wasn't spoiled as a child, a fact that I'd take any day over its opposite- I pity those that are. People should be judged on what they do with the cards they are dealt. Anyone can overcome poverty, few have the will power to do it. Giving people money doesn't teach them anything.

I'm afraid my only 'evidence' is examples. And since examples aren't evidence, then I have nothing. However, I can one-up on you by telling you to provide another real reason why Danish people could be the happiest - but this is getting tedious and it won't get anywhere. I proclaim my victory, you shall proclaim your victory, and we shall both come away from this experience feeling better about our skills at argument.

Very few Americans (fine, people) have what it takes do go far beyond what they were born into. However, some are born so far down that they need a bit of help for an opportunity to climb out of the hole. Like, I don't know, better schools and all that. Here, I'm just arguing your point, not saying Obama's better then McCain in education - I don't know their positions on it, and as I have stated, I vote primarily on foreign policy.

Someone in their family had to work hard to get there, if I become totally successful, shouldn't I be able to have my children and grandchildren succeed because of that? It's not that unbelievably difficult to become successful, the systems to help people are already in place, if you earned it, you have the right to help your posterity earn it too.

Foreign relations is the only thing that tempts me to vote Obama. Lets face it, almost every country wants Obama in there. It's not enough though, I believe the repercussions outweigh that factor.

What are the repercussions? There is a likely chance of a near-instant respect and admiration from the world again, peace in Iraq, and a booming economy aren't worth it?

LOL WHEN DID MCCAIN BECOME A CONSERVATIVE? HE DIDN'T.

You can't prove your point. My point is only relevant if your point exists. I win. Do you understand logic?

Who's to say Obama will be respected?
Pulling out 'Nam was supposed to bring peace, too.

That's right, instant respect and admiration. Just like that.

Don't be foolish.

I am an Arizonan and I can tell you that the opposite is in fact true. He's a republican who has yielded to liberal pressure and that's why we don't like him.

It was a stupid and pointless argument from the beginning

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He's been appeasing his base the entire campaign; why do you think he picked Palin?


Democrats that ride in on economic elections(FDR, Clinton), enjoy high approval ratings at a national and global level. Why? Because the Democrats that ride in on those waves fix the economic problems. In 2001, we had the largest surplus in our nation's history, and then had a change in policies. Eight years later, our national debt is twice what it was, our deregulated housing bubble has collapsed, and we are mocked internationaly for our ludicrous foreign policy.

Are you fucking serious? Fascist = Political, Socialist = Economic. There can be socialist fascist countries, anarchist socialist countries, fascist free-market countries, and anarchist free-market countries. You phail.

Socialism and Fascism are both two different political ideologies.

orly?

If you expect simply responding with an image of someone else's opinions on a different topic to be a more than half-decent argument, you are dead wrong.

Lets not derail this thread and keep talking about Obama and McCain and some other political flubbery.

Socialism and Communism has the same ideologies. They are still both used in political statements. But we were talking about McCain and Obama, go make a different topic. Posting pictures as arguements is stupid. Anyone can make a graph and just put dots anywhere and label it and call it politically correct. So shh, Mr. Communism + Freedom can mix.